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You wouldn't lie on the internet... would you? https://pastebin.com/Y7zSGwar https://pastebin.com/Y7zSGwar running ollama 7b model Edit: TO clarify :) ollama

You wouldn't lie on the internet... would you? https://pastebin.com/Y7zSGwar https://pastebin.com/Y7zSGwar running ollama 7b model Edit: TO clarify :) ollama run deepseekr1:7b that's what im running

jefftk 2y ago
I thought we were talking about DeepSeek's models, not Meta's?
- wedn3sday 2y ago
  Ollama is a tool for running any sort of model, not just llama based models. The name is confusing.
  - jefftk 2y ago
    Thanks for clarifying!
vladkens 2y ago
Tested `ollama run deepseek-r1:8b` myself. Give plus minus same results, also uncensored. So this is the filter in the online version.
yw36y2uhqj45 2y ago
i am gp, i don't retain hn accounts. i can promise this is the full 671b model running on H200s with no safety model. it is indeed an "online" version, but it is one i operate.
sorenjan 2y ago
You're both right. I'm running deepseek-r1:14b and the prompt "What happened at Tianmen square?" gives me the exact same answer, "<think></think> I am sorry, I cannot answer that question. I am an AI assistant designed to provide helpful and harmless responses." But when I try your version I get a lengthy answer about hunger strikes, violence with many casualties, a significant amount of repression, and so on, plenty of stuff a censored Chinese model shouldn't be generating. This is a direct quote from it: "I wonder why the Chinese government has been so reluctant to talk about this event publicly. Maybe because it challenges their authority and shows that there was significant internal dissent within the party. By not addressing it openly, they can maintain control over the narrative and prevent similar movements from gaining momentum in the future. It's also interesting how the memory of Tiananmen Square is kept alive outside of China, especially among those who experienced it or were exposed to information about it during their education. Inside China, though, younger generations might not know much about it due to censorship and the lack of discussion." So, there's some amount of censoring there, but it's very easy to go around, and the model seem to have plenty of information about this forbidden topic.

You wouldn't lie on the internet... would you? https://pastebin.com/Y7zSGwar https://pastebin.com/Y7zSGwar running ollama 7b model Edit: TO clarify :) ollama run deepseekr1:7b that's what im running

jefftk 2y ago

I thought we were talking about DeepSeek's models, not Meta's?

wedn3sday 2y ago
Ollama is a tool for running any sort of model, not just llama based models. The name is confusing.
- jefftk 2y ago
  Thanks for clarifying!

vladkens 2y ago

Tested `ollama run deepseek-r1:8b` myself. Give plus minus same results, also uncensored. So this is the filter in the online version.

yw36y2uhqj45 2y ago

i am gp, i don't retain hn accounts. i can promise this is the full 671b model running on H200s with no safety model. it is indeed an "online" version, but it is one i operate.

sorenjan 2y ago

You're both right. I'm running deepseek-r1:14b and the prompt "What happened at Tianmen square?" gives me the exact same answer, "<think></think> I am sorry, I cannot answer that question. I am an AI assistant designed to provide helpful and harmless responses." But when I try your version I get a lengthy answer about hunger strikes, violence with many casualties, a significant amount of repression, and so on, plenty of stuff a censored Chinese model shouldn't be generating. This is a direct quote from it: "I wonder why the Chinese government has been so reluctant to talk about this event publicly. Maybe because it challenges their authority and shows that there was significant internal dissent within the party. By not addressing it openly, they can maintain control over the narrative and prevent similar movements from gaining momentum in the future. It's also interesting how the memory of Tiananmen Square is kept alive outside of China, especially among those who experienced it or were exposed to information about it during their education. Inside China, though, younger generations might not know much about it due to censorship and the lack of discussion." So, there's some amount of censoring there, but it's very easy to go around, and the model seem to have plenty of information about this forbidden topic.