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Google has hell of a moat because they are continuously crawling and indexing the Web for the last 27 years. They have tons of data and information that can be

Google has hell of a moat because they are continuously crawling and indexing the Web for the last 27 years. They have tons of data and information that can be used for training of their AI.

AznHisoka 2y ago
Increasing amounts of data is also becoming hidden behind walled gardens like LinkedIn, Instagram and Slack/group chats.
- polygon87 2y ago
  LinkedIn at least shows up prominently in Google search results, not sure about IG. And Google still has some majored walled gardens of its own like Docs, Gmail, and YouTube.
  - AznHisoka 2y ago
    Google picks up some LinkedIn content, but I would venture it’s a very small slice of what is out there. Just doing a google search for several posts I see on my feed, and very few if any shows up. Same for IG (which makes sense as a lot of profiles are private)
- maeil 2y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if LinkedIn is eventually excluded from training datasets. It's inclusion trains the LLMs to generate slop, which the providers will eventually be looking to reduce.
  - BoredPositron 2y ago
    I tested 1000 AI tools in one day…
    - maeil 2y ago
      And here are 3 things I learned.
kingstoned 2y ago
The result of that is suggesting to put delicious glue on a pizza. Yummy https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/11/24176490/mm-delicious-glue https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/11/24176490/mm-delicious-glu...
- deleted 2y ago
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- mrkramer 2y ago
  At this point Google has zettabytes of data and there is no efficient way for them and their algorithms to realize what is going on exactly....but I sometimes still wonder how things like this happen. When speaking about ranking I think they should enforce PageRank more because I don't see any other algorithm that is more simpler and more powerful than this one.
  - tim333 2y ago
    That one happened because Gemini read it on Reddit and hadn't figured it was a joke. It was only up there from its launch through till about four days later when someone removed it.
    - mrkramer 2y ago
      Yea, AI still can't figure out jokes, irony, metaphor etc. Perplexity also quotes Reddit very often, idk how smart is that.
      - tim333 2y ago
        They are getting better at fact checking, Google apprently working on Googling the answer - Hassabis at Davos the other day: https://youtu.be/ICv03VysLaE?t=826 https://youtu.be/ICv03VysLaE?t=826
        mrkramer 2y ago
        It already exists in Gemini and it existed in Bard....now it's called "Double-check response". Here is pic of it in action: https://i.imgur.com/aIISzt5.png https://i.imgur.com/aIISzt5.png
tim333 2y ago
The other thing Google has, and maybe Meta, is good monetization technology. I'm not sure how monetization of AI will work but I can see if you ask about flights say it'll link to Google's holiday booking stuff etc.

Google has hell of a moat because they are continuously crawling and indexing the Web for the last 27 years. They have tons of data and information that can be used for training of their AI.

AznHisoka 2y ago

Increasing amounts of data is also becoming hidden behind walled gardens like LinkedIn, Instagram and Slack/group chats.

polygon87 2y ago
LinkedIn at least shows up prominently in Google search results, not sure about IG. And Google still has some majored walled gardens of its own like Docs, Gmail, and YouTube.
- AznHisoka 2y ago
  Google picks up some LinkedIn content, but I would venture it’s a very small slice of what is out there. Just doing a google search for several posts I see on my feed, and very few if any shows up. Same for IG (which makes sense as a lot of profiles are private)
maeil 2y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if LinkedIn is eventually excluded from training datasets. It's inclusion trains the LLMs to generate slop, which the providers will eventually be looking to reduce.
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  I tested 1000 AI tools in one day…
  - maeil 2y ago
    And here are 3 things I learned.

kingstoned 2y ago

The result of that is suggesting to put delicious glue on a pizza. Yummy https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/11/24176490/mm-delicious-glue https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/11/24176490/mm-delicious-glu...

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mrkramer 2y ago
At this point Google has zettabytes of data and there is no efficient way for them and their algorithms to realize what is going on exactly....but I sometimes still wonder how things like this happen. When speaking about ranking I think they should enforce PageRank more because I don't see any other algorithm that is more simpler and more powerful than this one.
- tim333 2y ago
  That one happened because Gemini read it on Reddit and hadn't figured it was a joke. It was only up there from its launch through till about four days later when someone removed it.
  - mrkramer 2y ago
    Yea, AI still can't figure out jokes, irony, metaphor etc. Perplexity also quotes Reddit very often, idk how smart is that.
    - tim333 2y ago
      They are getting better at fact checking, Google apprently working on Googling the answer - Hassabis at Davos the other day: https://youtu.be/ICv03VysLaE?t=826 https://youtu.be/ICv03VysLaE?t=826
      - mrkramer 2y ago
        It already exists in Gemini and it existed in Bard....now it's called "Double-check response". Here is pic of it in action: https://i.imgur.com/aIISzt5.png https://i.imgur.com/aIISzt5.png

tim333 2y ago

The other thing Google has, and maybe Meta, is good monetization technology. I'm not sure how monetization of AI will work but I can see if you ask about flights say it'll link to Google's holiday booking stuff etc.