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> Remember that the holocaust only started 3 years into the war Kristallnacht was a year before the start of the war. The mass murders of Polish intelligentsia

> Remember that the holocaust only started 3 years into the war Kristallnacht was a year before the start of the war. The mass murders of Polish intelligentsia started immediately upon the invasion of Poland in 1939. Auschwitz received its first prisoners in the spring of 1940. While the formalizing of the "Final Solution" was a bit more than three years into the war (January of 1942), that is very disingenuous place to claim the holocaust "began".

wizzwizz4 2y ago
Depending on how exactly you categorise Nazi atrocities, Aktion T4 (September 1939) could be considered the start of the Holocaust – putting the start point at 0 days into the war.
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wongarsu 2y ago
Maybe I shouldn't have written holocaust but "systematic mass-murder of all Jews". I assumed the intended meaning would be clear, but in retrospect I can see how it might offend. And I am open to arguments that this predates the "Final Solution" by up to six months, putting us closer to two years into the war. But before that while there were events where thousands or tens of thousands were killed, the general policy was to intern people in camps. And while that is horrible enough to our modern morals (precisely because of the Nazi precedent) it was less abhorrent to people of that time. Otherwise the US would have hardly put Japanese-Americans in camps
- wbl 2y ago
  No the policy was extermination of the Jews. Babi Yar, the destruction of Vilna, the murder of nameless villages now lost to us all took place from the very begining. Both the straight and twisted path interpretations acknowledge that Hitlers intention was the destruction of European Jews, and that the Nazi state carried it out with little resistance with the fact widely, unmissibly known.
- neverforget-at 2y ago
  Please just delete both this whole comment and your "3 years into the war" paragraph as long as there is still time. As an austrian it's clear you don't fully know what you are talking about. It's ok to get something wrong sometimes, it's never ok to double down and start arguing because of it. Especially if the topic is the Holocaust! > the general policy was to intern people in camps This is so wrong it hurts. All the people in the camps were still meant to soon die there, we are not talking refugee camps here. Comparing these to US Japanese Internment camps is quite troubeling too.

wizzwizz4 2y ago

Depending on how exactly you categorise Nazi atrocities, Aktion T4 (September 1939) could be considered the start of the Holocaust – putting the start point at 0 days into the war.

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wongarsu 2y ago

Maybe I shouldn't have written holocaust but "systematic mass-murder of all Jews". I assumed the intended meaning would be clear, but in retrospect I can see how it might offend. And I am open to arguments that this predates the "Final Solution" by up to six months, putting us closer to two years into the war. But before that while there were events where thousands or tens of thousands were killed, the general policy was to intern people in camps. And while that is horrible enough to our modern morals (precisely because of the Nazi precedent) it was less abhorrent to people of that time. Otherwise the US would have hardly put Japanese-Americans in camps

wbl 2y ago
No the policy was extermination of the Jews. Babi Yar, the destruction of Vilna, the murder of nameless villages now lost to us all took place from the very begining. Both the straight and twisted path interpretations acknowledge that Hitlers intention was the destruction of European Jews, and that the Nazi state carried it out with little resistance with the fact widely, unmissibly known.
neverforget-at 2y ago
Please just delete both this whole comment and your "3 years into the war" paragraph as long as there is still time. As an austrian it's clear you don't fully know what you are talking about. It's ok to get something wrong sometimes, it's never ok to double down and start arguing because of it. Especially if the topic is the Holocaust! > the general policy was to intern people in camps This is so wrong it hurts. All the people in the camps were still meant to soon die there, we are not talking refugee camps here. Comparing these to US Japanese Internment camps is quite troubeling too.