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Here we go again. China schooling Silicon Valley at their own game. First a better scrolling dopamine app and now with a more efficient LLM. Silicon Valley is

Here we go again. China schooling Silicon Valley at their own game. First a better scrolling dopamine app and now with a more efficient LLM. Silicon Valley is a dinosaur at this point with only themselves to blame.

alecco 2y ago
More like a tiny startup from a second tier Chinese city schools tech giants both in America and China. High-Flyer has only 160 employees and only some of those are working on Deepseek. They are beating companies 1000x bigger in budget and employees. All while embracing open models and publishing and having to deal with suspicion due to previous Chinese models cheating with eval data. It's funny to read the SV cope. They are lying! They have thousands of H100s! Because a random SV CEO said so. Deepseek's parent company was worth a miser $200m. And it looks like they were forced to pivot because CCP limited salaries in finance while getting no money from VCs. This might be the biggest underdog upset in tech history.
- grajaganDev 2y ago
  From TeamBlind's Meta channel: "I’m not even exaggerating. Management is worried about justifying the massive cost of GenAI org. How would they face the leadership when every single ‘leader’ of GenAI org is making more than what it cost to train DeepSeek V3 entirely, and we have dozens of such ‘leaders.’ DeepSeek R1 made things even scarier. I can’t reveal confidential info but it’ll be soon public anyways. It should have been an engineering focused small org but since a bunch of people wanted to join the impact grab and artificially inflate hiring in the org, everyone loses."
  - sieabahlpark 2y ago
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- rapind 2y ago
  > And it looks like they were forced to pivot because CCP limited salaries in finance while getting no money from VCs. Pay bankers less for increased innovation. Talk about a win-win knock-on.
- hustwindmaple1 2y ago
  High-Flyer is pretty damn rich actually. Someone did some calculation and it turns out they are spending ~$200m (somewhere in that range) on 150 employee compensation alone.

alecco 2y ago

More like a tiny startup from a second tier Chinese city schools tech giants both in America and China. High-Flyer has only 160 employees and only some of those are working on Deepseek. They are beating companies 1000x bigger in budget and employees. All while embracing open models and publishing and having to deal with suspicion due to previous Chinese models cheating with eval data. It's funny to read the SV cope. They are lying! They have thousands of H100s! Because a random SV CEO said so. Deepseek's parent company was worth a miser $200m. And it looks like they were forced to pivot because CCP limited salaries in finance while getting no money from VCs. This might be the biggest underdog upset in tech history.

grajaganDev 2y ago
From TeamBlind's Meta channel: "I’m not even exaggerating. Management is worried about justifying the massive cost of GenAI org. How would they face the leadership when every single ‘leader’ of GenAI org is making more than what it cost to train DeepSeek V3 entirely, and we have dozens of such ‘leaders.’ DeepSeek R1 made things even scarier. I can’t reveal confidential info but it’ll be soon public anyways. It should have been an engineering focused small org but since a bunch of people wanted to join the impact grab and artificially inflate hiring in the org, everyone loses."
- sieabahlpark 2y ago
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rapind 2y ago
> And it looks like they were forced to pivot because CCP limited salaries in finance while getting no money from VCs. Pay bankers less for increased innovation. Talk about a win-win knock-on.
hustwindmaple1 2y ago
High-Flyer is pretty damn rich actually. Someone did some calculation and it turns out they are spending ~$200m (somewhere in that range) on 150 employee compensation alone.