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I think that the development of riscv will eek out greater market share for chinese manufacturers, which will have a negative effect on the global order. I am

I think that the development of riscv will eek out greater market share for chinese manufacturers, which will have a negative effect on the global order. I am also skeptical that it will lead to more open designs, but perhaps it could increase competition enough in the chip design space that more open chip designers can make a space for themselves, especially if the business of chip fabrication is isolated from design.

cbm-vic-20 2y ago
I'm surprised China's economic rivals, specifically India, hasn't made a serious push to bootstrap a home-grown chip industry based around RISC-V.
- Arnavion 2y ago
  India had https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAKTI_(microprocessor) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAKTI_(microprocessor) as of a few years ago but I haven't followed it. The main website and blog seem to have had not much activity since 2021.
  - Pet_Ant 2y ago
    Well the site is currently showing a reference to a 2025 conference in India. http://shakti.org.in/ http://shakti.org.in/
    - snvzz 2y ago
      Hopeful for announcements. They haven't made any in a while, but that doesn't mean they aren't progressing.
daghamm 2y ago
China tried to create a homegrown CPU 15-20 years ago with their MIPS variant but that died out. I think this time they are much wiser and will pull it off. In 5-8 years we may have China CPUs dominating the Asian market at least. Riscv leading to more open designs is wishful thinking, plus probably a large dose of PR. MIPS has been open for years and how many open source MIPS desisgn have we seen so far?
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  > China tried to create a homegrown CPU 15-20 years ago with their MIPS variant but that died out. Er, are you talking about LoongArch? The CPU line that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson lists new models of this year?
  - daghamm 2y ago
    Yes, I had no idea they were still working on it. You could buy their products in west as a sort of a low-power PC for a short while, but I think once netbooks arrived those just vanished.
    - adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
      Presumably 100% of supply at this point is going into chinese government/military projects where not using a western design with possible backdoors is worth a price premium.

cbm-vic-20 2y ago

I'm surprised China's economic rivals, specifically India, hasn't made a serious push to bootstrap a home-grown chip industry based around RISC-V.

Arnavion 2y ago
India had https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAKTI_(microprocessor) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAKTI_(microprocessor) as of a few years ago but I haven't followed it. The main website and blog seem to have had not much activity since 2021.
- Pet_Ant 2y ago
  Well the site is currently showing a reference to a 2025 conference in India. http://shakti.org.in/ http://shakti.org.in/
  - snvzz 2y ago
    Hopeful for announcements. They haven't made any in a while, but that doesn't mean they aren't progressing.

daghamm 2y ago

China tried to create a homegrown CPU 15-20 years ago with their MIPS variant but that died out. I think this time they are much wiser and will pull it off. In 5-8 years we may have China CPUs dominating the Asian market at least. Riscv leading to more open designs is wishful thinking, plus probably a large dose of PR. MIPS has been open for years and how many open source MIPS desisgn have we seen so far?

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> China tried to create a homegrown CPU 15-20 years ago with their MIPS variant but that died out. Er, are you talking about LoongArch? The CPU line that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson lists new models of this year?
- daghamm 2y ago
  Yes, I had no idea they were still working on it. You could buy their products in west as a sort of a low-power PC for a short while, but I think once netbooks arrived those just vanished.
  - adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
    Presumably 100% of supply at this point is going into chinese government/military projects where not using a western design with possible backdoors is worth a price premium.