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Why don’t they bill the repairs plus a fine to the ship’s owner. If they don’t pay, sell the the ship to cover it. I bet it will stop real quick.

permo-w 2y ago
I am not a shipping lawyer, but, assuming this happened in international waters, my guess is that there is probably already some set-in-stone maritime law in place that covers scenarios like this, and one that probably isn't modifiable by mere national governments. This is complete speculation though.
- slashdev 2y ago
  That wouldn’t surprise me. Doesn’t mean you can’t do it, just that people will object - but not likely with actions, just words, which can be ignored.
mcv 2y ago
It's entirely possible that the owner of the ship is some fake company that only exists to own this particular ship, and the company will vanish if there are fines to be paid. There's still a lot of shadiness in international shipping.
- slashdev 2y ago
  I guess that would be a seize and sell the ship outcome then
  - Lio 2y ago
    That's a dangerous precedent to set. The initial claims might be legitimate but I worry that trumped up claims would soon escalate into an excuse for state sponsored piracy from other parties.
    - slashdev 2y ago
      That happens anyway. The claim is legitimate, so objections would be half hearted. It may well invite the aggressor country to return the favor though (in that case stop trading with them completely)
  - Kon-Peki 2y ago
    Nobody would buy it, except maybe some anonymous shell company… … who will tell the crew that their past wages are the responsibility of the old owner, who they’ve never heard of. The fact that their new destination is exactly the same is a complete coincidence.
    - slashdev 2y ago
      Then you sell it for scrap.
      - Kon-Peki 2y ago
        Sure, why not? It will have to be towed/sailed to some suitable location and then people have to actually go about the process of scrapping it. Unfortunately the cost of all of this exceeds what you can sell the scrap for, so again, nobody is going to buy the ship.
        slashdev 2y ago
        I disagree that things you assert would be true, but even if you lose money doing it, you should do it. The point is not to recover losses, although ideally it would help. The point is to have severe financial consequences so it stops happening.

permo-w 2y ago

I am not a shipping lawyer, but, assuming this happened in international waters, my guess is that there is probably already some set-in-stone maritime law in place that covers scenarios like this, and one that probably isn't modifiable by mere national governments. This is complete speculation though.

slashdev 2y ago
That wouldn’t surprise me. Doesn’t mean you can’t do it, just that people will object - but not likely with actions, just words, which can be ignored.

mcv 2y ago

It's entirely possible that the owner of the ship is some fake company that only exists to own this particular ship, and the company will vanish if there are fines to be paid. There's still a lot of shadiness in international shipping.

slashdev 2y ago
I guess that would be a seize and sell the ship outcome then
- Lio 2y ago
  That's a dangerous precedent to set. The initial claims might be legitimate but I worry that trumped up claims would soon escalate into an excuse for state sponsored piracy from other parties.
  - slashdev 2y ago
    That happens anyway. The claim is legitimate, so objections would be half hearted. It may well invite the aggressor country to return the favor though (in that case stop trading with them completely)
- Kon-Peki 2y ago
  Nobody would buy it, except maybe some anonymous shell company… … who will tell the crew that their past wages are the responsibility of the old owner, who they’ve never heard of. The fact that their new destination is exactly the same is a complete coincidence.
  - slashdev 2y ago
    Then you sell it for scrap.
    - Kon-Peki 2y ago
      Sure, why not? It will have to be towed/sailed to some suitable location and then people have to actually go about the process of scrapping it. Unfortunately the cost of all of this exceeds what you can sell the scrap for, so again, nobody is going to buy the ship.
      - slashdev 2y ago
        I disagree that things you assert would be true, but even if you lose money doing it, you should do it. The point is not to recover losses, although ideally it would help. The point is to have severe financial consequences so it stops happening.