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Over the last 20 years, 100-200 such cables globally have been damaged annually. This is only news now because Russia is the current bogeyman, and the claims o
by CrzyLngPwd 2y ago
Over the last 20 years, 100-200 such cables globally have been damaged annually.
This is only news now because Russia is the current bogeyman, and the claims of Russia doing it fit the propaganda.
If I were Ukraine, I'd cut such cables to encourage my Western sponsors into more action, but that narrative is a bitter pill to swallow for the Western taxpayer's funding conflict.
Still, in 50 years, we may well be reading about exactly that.
- KingOfCoders 2y ago"Over the last 20 years, 100-200 such cables globally have been damaged annually." I read this also all the time, what I don't hear: How do they break? At high sea? By anchors? In a port? By nature? We don't know? I'm open to the argument, but then someone would need to show some numbers, some trends, reasons and that the current cable breaking is just the same as in the last 20 years.
- CrzyLngPwd 2y agohttps://www2.telegeography.com/submarine-cable-faqs-frequently-asked-questions https://www2.telegeography.com/submarine-cable-faqs-frequent... https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/nv/insights/itu-launches-international-advisory-body-for-submarine-cable-resilience https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/nv/insights/itu-launche...
- drawkward 2y agoThis does not show evidence to refute the claim.
- KingOfCoders 2y agoI can't find anything of what I mentioned in those links. Just the same numbers "with an average of 150 to 200 faults occurring globally each year" thrown around again - again with no source. I would wish for Year Number Fishing Anchor Earthquake ... 2022 128 15 2 5 2021 133 22 8 2 (best grouped by region, Baltic Sea, North Atlanic, South Atlantic, Black Sea, ...) etc.
- ericb 2y ago> Over the last 20 years, 100-200 such cables globally have been damaged annually. [Citation Needed]
- CrzyLngPwd 2y agohttps://www2.telegeography.com/submarine-cable-faqs-frequently-asked-questions https://www2.telegeography.com/submarine-cable-faqs-frequent... https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/nv/insights/itu-launches-international-advisory-body-for-submarine-cable-resilience https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/nv/insights/itu-launche...
- aaron695 2y ago[dead]
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoIf Ukraine did it, they'd lose support - that would be silly. Damage is normal, sure, but multiple ships dragging anchors for many miles is not. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.
- CrzyLngPwd 2y agoIt is normal https://www2.telegeography.com/submarine-cable-faqs-frequently-asked-questions https://www2.telegeography.com/submarine-cable-faqs-frequent... https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/nv/insights/itu-launches-international-advisory-body-for-submarine-cable-resilience https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/nv/insights/itu-launche...
- drawkward 2y ago...but is it normal among countries adjacent to Russia?
- lawn 2y agoYou're conveniently omitting the fact that the cables have been damaged a lot more recently than before. And that Russia has a long history of doing these types of sabotage (including assassinations!). And that these boats have incriminating circumstances.
- CrzyLngPwd 2y agoNope, it's about normal. Nope, there is no conclusive evidence to support your claims. It's just as likely to be NATO ships doing the damage as it is <insert NATO adversary>. https://www2.telegeography.com/submarine-cable-faqs-frequently-asked-questions https://www2.telegeography.com/submarine-cable-faqs-frequent... https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/nv/insights/itu-launches-international-advisory-body-for-submarine-cable-resilience https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/nv/insights/itu-launche...
- lawn 2y ago[flagged]
- CrzyLngPwd 2y ago[flagged]
- drawkward 2y agoWhen you call someone an NPC, you lose all credibility, both for the ad hominem attack, but also for how cliched and unoriginal it is. Can you please come up with something better?
- drawkward 2y agoYour evidence is not compelling, because the planet is a large place...compelling evidence would be showing that there is no significant increase in broken cables among these countries that are so close to Russia.
- appointment 2y agoDo you have statistics for the Baltic Sea? The amount of shipping in that area is much lower than in the major international shipping lanes like the English Channel.
- CrzyLngPwd 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bornholm_Cable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bornholm_Cable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Baltic_Sea_submarine_cable_disruptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Baltic_Sea_submarine_cabl... Given the increase in cables plus the increase in shipping, it is no surprise to find an increase in cable damage.
- drawkward 2y agoYou give no actual evidence.
- CrzyLngPwd 2y agoQ: Show baltic sea incidents Me: Here ya go have a complete list You: <spurious nonsense>
- drawkward 2y agoIs there an increase in shipping in the baltic? Is there an increase in cables in the baltic? You demonstrate neither.
- mongol 2y agoNot a good comparison. The English Channel is the most busy maritime route in the world. The Baltic Sea accounts for 15 % of the world's maritime transportation so is also busy, even if less than the English Channel by no means "much lower",