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> That doesn't sound like you think any regulation written by them is good. Yes, current regulators in EU are acting as controlled opposition, maybe out of mal

> That doesn't sound like you think any regulation written by them is good. Yes, current regulators in EU are acting as controlled opposition, maybe out of malice, perhaps out of incompetence, but it is what it is. > Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Russia is malicious, they may also be stupid, but they are malicious, and if they are stupid, they seem to still be outwitting Western Europe. https://www.thetimes.com/article/german-green-group-branded-a-russian-puppet-over-nord-stream-ii-gas-pipeline-nzd9p056q https://www.thetimes.com/article/german-green-group-branded-... > A German environmental foundation that has been given more than £17m by Gazprom, the Russian energy giant, has been accused of being a “puppet” funded by Moscow to circumvent American sanctions on the final stretch of a controversial pipeline carrying Russian natural gas to Germany.

croes 2y ago
German politics is known for doing what environmental groups want. The stupidity part isn’t Russia but the lobbyists of the fossile energy companies who try to keep their profits from using oil and gas. Germany‘s dependency on Russian gas wasn’t because of Russian influence but because of industry demands for cheap gas.
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  Nobody demands expensive gas. Not even in a socialist dictatorship. Germany is unique in that they shut down domestic energy production in favour of importing from Russia, and this is after multiple warnings from the west.
  - croes 2y ago
    Gas is mainly used for heating and the industry, the shutdown of nuclear power plants had no effect on that. And it wasn’t about expensive gas but multiple suppliers. But Russia‘s offer was cheap enough to push the concerns aside. Sadly we will go back to that if the CDU or worse the AfD come to power. Partially thanks to Musk.
    - flanked-evergl 2y ago
      In EU in 2022 19% of electricity came from natural gas [1]. Gas, like money, is fungible — you can use gas you don't use for heating for electricity production, and electricity is also fungible and transmissible, so you can transmit that to Germany from outside Germany. [1]: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Figure_10_Fuels_in_total_gross_electricity_production,_2022_(%25).png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

croes 2y ago

German politics is known for doing what environmental groups want. The stupidity part isn’t Russia but the lobbyists of the fossile energy companies who try to keep their profits from using oil and gas. Germany‘s dependency on Russian gas wasn’t because of Russian influence but because of industry demands for cheap gas.

flanked-evergl 2y ago
Nobody demands expensive gas. Not even in a socialist dictatorship. Germany is unique in that they shut down domestic energy production in favour of importing from Russia, and this is after multiple warnings from the west.
- croes 2y ago
  Gas is mainly used for heating and the industry, the shutdown of nuclear power plants had no effect on that. And it wasn’t about expensive gas but multiple suppliers. But Russia‘s offer was cheap enough to push the concerns aside. Sadly we will go back to that if the CDU or worse the AfD come to power. Partially thanks to Musk.
  - flanked-evergl 2y ago
    In EU in 2022 19% of electricity came from natural gas [1]. Gas, like money, is fungible — you can use gas you don't use for heating for electricity production, and electricity is also fungible and transmissible, so you can transmit that to Germany from outside Germany. [1]: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Figure_10_Fuels_in_total_gross_electricity_production,_2022_(%25).png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...