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I think the blunder is firmly with the people who caused the blowback. I don’t think it’s a good idea to all be up in arms whenever someone says something you d

I think the blunder is firmly with the people who caused the blowback. I don’t think it’s a good idea to all be up in arms whenever someone says something you disagree with.

sofixa 2y ago
> I don’t think it’s a good idea to all be up in arms whenever someone says something you disagree with Of course not, but there's a difference between disagreeing with which is the best recipe for a cheesecake, the best castle in France, or whether or not it's acceptable to invade your neighbouring countries, if the government should be following the law/constitution, or basic biology, etc. Some opinions one disagrees with are very worth to be up in arms. I'd even say that people have a civic duty of being up in arms against certain egregious topics. Say if a politician says that they want to allow for 9 year olds to be married to adults; or a rich guy backing multiple politicians all over the world Sieg Heils on national television; or a politician that just got elected is asking for money for favours from companies; or there's talk of "other"ing significant swathes of the population.
- pixxel 2y ago
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  - captainvaqina 2y ago
    Don't believe your lying eyes when watching the direct actions of a fascist regime.
  - DarkByte8 2y ago
    Still better to watch 3letter news channels then 1letter social media platform.
  - sofixa 2y ago
    If it helps, I'm not American, only consume American news when its investigative reporting I'm interested in, and I don't watch any TV news.
- philwelch 2y ago
  So if you think Gail Slater is a good pick for the DOJ’s antitrust division, that’s tantamount to pedophilia and Naziism? What did Gail Slater ever do?
  - sofixa 2y ago
    No, I think a guy doing a Nazi salute on TV, twice, at an official ceremony, that's tantamount to Nazism. And the fact that everyone who identifies with his side of the isle tries to deflect and excuse and explain how the Nazi salute he didn't wasn't actually a Nazi salute only helps with that. And frankly, anyone associated with Nazi salute guy and those who defend him... is associated with Nazis, which isn't a good thing. It reminds me of this sketch: https://youtu.be/zvgZtdmyKlI https://youtu.be/zvgZtdmyKlI
    - philwelch 2y ago
      Gail Slater did that? That’s crazy, man. But it says on Wikipedia that Gail Slater is a woman?
    - paanvaannd 2y ago
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wraptile 2y ago
In my opinion this is clearly a display of a character flaw. I simply don't trust Proton now that it's CEO revealed itself to be of such flawed thought. Isn't that the whole job of a CEO?
- pixxel 2y ago
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  - wraptile 2y ago
    Way to twist it to "opinion battles" but Swiss CEO diving head first into American meme politics and following up _on the official account of Proton_ is very clearly a character flaw. Feel free to disagree but keep it to yourself, thanks.
    - philwelch 2y ago
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- xcv123 2y ago
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  - wraptile 2y ago
    Nah normal adults vote with their senses, judgement and their spine. I'm not an American, neither is Proton. Keep your clowns inside of your clown car.
    - xcv123 2y ago
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  - angoragoats 2y ago
    Nothing about anything occurring right now in the United States is “ordinary politics” and saying that anyone who disapproves of someone siding with a fascist regime has a “defective thought process” is doing the work of the fascist regime for them.
fnordsensei 2y ago
For context, people were upset about using the official accounts to endorse a party wholesale, in direct violation of their charter. A subset were also upset with the nature of the endorsement. And then you could also discuss whether a CEO of a company has to consider what they say, regardless if they're using an official account or not. This is more of a gray area, and has people divided. I'm personally of the opinion that, as a CEO, you're always representing your company when speaking to the public to some extent.
- protonprivacy 2y ago
  Andy did not endorse Trump, just the Republican nominee for antitrust. Nevertheless, we have retracted the statement, which was put out by mistake due to an internal miscommunication. Proton is not controlled by any single person but by the nonprofit Proton Foundation, which has neutrality in its governing principles, and that remains the case today.
  - fnordsensei 2y ago
    To give more context: Andy, or someone else, posted what can be read as an endorsement[1]. > Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses. Putting aside that this was a divisive statement, the problem emerged when this was posted by the official company account. For the duration of time that this was the official response, it's not unreasonable for the public to assume that Andy, or someone else, endorsed a political party using the official company account. This is the core of what caused the incident to escalate. It was later retracted, and followed up with a statement[2] on the incident. [1]: https://archive.ph/2yWGz https://archive.ph/2yWGz [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_poli...
    - n4r9 2y ago
      The irony is that this was already changing: anti-trust has been massively empowered under Biden and Lina Khan. Trump is certainly attempting to bandwagon this tide, but the appearance of so many Big Tech leaders in VIP seats at his inauguration does not lend a favourable hindsight view to Andy Yen's statement.
Spooky23 2y ago
I don’t think it’s good optics for CEOs to be simping for POTUS without a clear rationale. Why is a privacy focused company from Switzerland kissing the ring? It’s a relevant question given the business they are in.

I think the blunder is firmly with the people who caused the blowback. I don’t think it’s a good idea to all be up in arms whenever someone says something you disagree with.

sofixa 2y ago

> I don’t think it’s a good idea to all be up in arms whenever someone says something you disagree with Of course not, but there's a difference between disagreeing with which is the best recipe for a cheesecake, the best castle in France, or whether or not it's acceptable to invade your neighbouring countries, if the government should be following the law/constitution, or basic biology, etc. Some opinions one disagrees with are very worth to be up in arms. I'd even say that people have a civic duty of being up in arms against certain egregious topics. Say if a politician says that they want to allow for 9 year olds to be married to adults; or a rich guy backing multiple politicians all over the world Sieg Heils on national television; or a politician that just got elected is asking for money for favours from companies; or there's talk of "other"ing significant swathes of the population.

pixxel 2y ago
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- captainvaqina 2y ago
  Don't believe your lying eyes when watching the direct actions of a fascist regime.
- DarkByte8 2y ago
  Still better to watch 3letter news channels then 1letter social media platform.
- sofixa 2y ago
  If it helps, I'm not American, only consume American news when its investigative reporting I'm interested in, and I don't watch any TV news.
philwelch 2y ago
So if you think Gail Slater is a good pick for the DOJ’s antitrust division, that’s tantamount to pedophilia and Naziism? What did Gail Slater ever do?
- sofixa 2y ago
  No, I think a guy doing a Nazi salute on TV, twice, at an official ceremony, that's tantamount to Nazism. And the fact that everyone who identifies with his side of the isle tries to deflect and excuse and explain how the Nazi salute he didn't wasn't actually a Nazi salute only helps with that. And frankly, anyone associated with Nazi salute guy and those who defend him... is associated with Nazis, which isn't a good thing. It reminds me of this sketch: https://youtu.be/zvgZtdmyKlI https://youtu.be/zvgZtdmyKlI
  - philwelch 2y ago
    Gail Slater did that? That’s crazy, man. But it says on Wikipedia that Gail Slater is a woman?
  - paanvaannd 2y ago
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wraptile 2y ago

In my opinion this is clearly a display of a character flaw. I simply don't trust Proton now that it's CEO revealed itself to be of such flawed thought. Isn't that the whole job of a CEO?

pixxel 2y ago
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- wraptile 2y ago
  Way to twist it to "opinion battles" but Swiss CEO diving head first into American meme politics and following up _on the official account of Proton_ is very clearly a character flaw. Feel free to disagree but keep it to yourself, thanks.
  - philwelch 2y ago
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xcv123 2y ago
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- wraptile 2y ago
  Nah normal adults vote with their senses, judgement and their spine. I'm not an American, neither is Proton. Keep your clowns inside of your clown car.
  - xcv123 2y ago
    [flagged]
- angoragoats 2y ago
  Nothing about anything occurring right now in the United States is “ordinary politics” and saying that anyone who disapproves of someone siding with a fascist regime has a “defective thought process” is doing the work of the fascist regime for them.

fnordsensei 2y ago

For context, people were upset about using the official accounts to endorse a party wholesale, in direct violation of their charter. A subset were also upset with the nature of the endorsement. And then you could also discuss whether a CEO of a company has to consider what they say, regardless if they're using an official account or not. This is more of a gray area, and has people divided. I'm personally of the opinion that, as a CEO, you're always representing your company when speaking to the public to some extent.

protonprivacy 2y ago
Andy did not endorse Trump, just the Republican nominee for antitrust. Nevertheless, we have retracted the statement, which was put out by mistake due to an internal miscommunication. Proton is not controlled by any single person but by the nonprofit Proton Foundation, which has neutrality in its governing principles, and that remains the case today.
- fnordsensei 2y ago
  To give more context: Andy, or someone else, posted what can be read as an endorsement[1]. > Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses. Putting aside that this was a divisive statement, the problem emerged when this was posted by the official company account. For the duration of time that this was the official response, it's not unreasonable for the public to assume that Andy, or someone else, endorsed a political party using the official company account. This is the core of what caused the incident to escalate. It was later retracted, and followed up with a statement[2] on the incident. [1]: https://archive.ph/2yWGz https://archive.ph/2yWGz [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_poli...
  - n4r9 2y ago
    The irony is that this was already changing: anti-trust has been massively empowered under Biden and Lina Khan. Trump is certainly attempting to bandwagon this tide, but the appearance of so many Big Tech leaders in VIP seats at his inauguration does not lend a favourable hindsight view to Andy Yen's statement.

Spooky23 2y ago

I don’t think it’s good optics for CEOs to be simping for POTUS without a clear rationale. Why is a privacy focused company from Switzerland kissing the ring? It’s a relevant question given the business they are in.