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Being from Denmark I have always been puzzled by how US/UK media portray us as neo-Hitlers for being slightly more critical of MENA immigration than our neighbo
by dtquad 2y ago
Being from Denmark I have always been puzzled by how US/UK media portray us as neo-Hitlers for being slightly more critical of MENA immigration than our neighbors. Meanwhile Switzerland has been doing what almost amounts to white-only immigration to the point that their "troublesome" immigrants are Europeans from Albanaia and Serbia.
Neutrality is good for PR.
- sschueller 2y ago[flagged]
- motaforever2019 2y agoThe first non white country there is Eritrea at 14.
- true_religion 2y agoTIL that Turkey is considered a white nation. Either case Switzerlands demographics don't seem too different from their neighbors like Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Austria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Austria I won't doubt that they have a Euro-centric immigration policy, but I'm curious why a landlocked nation in the center of Europe really needs anything else. I'm from a West African country and our immigration policy is arms open to our neighbors, and non-existant for European countries except for the UK.
- egeozcan 2y ago> TIL that Turkey is considered a white nation. What is a white nation?
- true_religion 2y agoSorry, I know it sounded like sarcasm but it's a real 'today i learned'. https://aeon.co/essays/the-fantastic-science-of-turkeys-whiteness-campaign https://aeon.co/essays/the-fantastic-science-of-turkeys-whit... Apparently, there's a LOT of debate over if the Turkish are white, middle-eastern, or their own thing. I just always thought of them as being middle-eastern due to the ottoman empire.
- rspoerri 2y agoFrance and spain still have south american and african territories.
- __rito__ 2y agoForeign-born != Non-white
- egeozcan 2y ago(This is not a comment on what you said but something for the whole thread) May I kindly ask that we do not say "white" and "non-white" as if it has a global definition? I think all people here mean "European" when they say "white". There are many Europeans with dark skin color and being "white" is very context dependent, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Turks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Turks I mean I, as someone non-European although with very light skin and blue eyes, take no offense from the usage here personally as I understand you mean European, but I still think it'd be nice to be more considerate.
- ricardobeat 2y agoWhat would be really considerate, is not bucketing people by the color of their skin at all. Seems like a radical call these days…
- egeozcan 2y agoI fully agree, I just wanted to keep it on a single topic.
- godelski 2y agoI'm not trying to take sides in this, but your link seems to support the parent who you're disagreeing with. You have to get to the 14th most popular origin to see the first non-European immigrant. Which this, like usual, follows a power law distribution. So yeah, looks like most immigrants are coming from Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Kosovo. Last I checked, they are all white European countries.
- nairboon 2y agoThere might be some part of the population missing in those particular numbers (refugees). For example there should be approximately 67'000 Ukrainians on that list, but I don't see it.
- bluesign 2y agoYeah but considering EU and free movement agreements, little bit apples and oranges comparison.
- lmm 2y ago> Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Kosovo. Last I checked, they are all white European countries. Kosovo has never been white (it's majority-Muslim, culturally Middle Eastern) and whether Italy/Portugal/Spain are considered white fluctuates based on politics.
- godelski 2y ago> Kosovo has never been white (it's majority-Muslim, culturally Middle Eastern) TIL Muslim == brown. I always though Indonesians were Asian. As an American, searching Google images, I really am surprised these people are not considered white. These are the whitest looking "middle easterners" I've ever seen. They really just look like their neighbors: Greeks, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania...
- lmm 2y ago> TIL Muslim == brown. I always though Indonesians were Asian. Indonesia is Muslim for different reasons. In that part of the world the religious divide follows the historic culural/ethnic divide (for the same reasons) and is a useful shorthand - I could have equally pointed to how Kosovans drink their coffee, but that would have been less legible. > As an American, searching Google images, I really am surprised these people are not considered white. These are the whitest looking "middle easterners" I've ever seen. They really just look like their neighbors: Greeks, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania... America famously didn't consider the Irish "white" until relatively recently, and Irish people are whiter than white skin-tone-wise. Of course if you've spent much time around Irish people you can immediately see the difference between the Irish and their next-door neighbours, but that goes for all of these distinctions. Kosovo-Bulgaria-Türkiye is ethnically continuous, you'll find people from Türkiye and Syria who look much like Kosovans (and, more importantly, have very similar cultures). Greeks are another group who are "white" or not depending on current politics. Serbians are Slavs, continuous with Slovaks or Ukrainians, which again is a group whose whiteness is a political question (even Poles haven't always been "white" in America). Romanians are their own unique thing (as the name suggests, they're the last of the Romans, and have a distinct culture that reflects that).
- lmm 2y agoThe US classifies people into racial categories based on skin tone, and then imagines that these racial categories are objective and used around the world.
- m00dy 2y agoI'm also from Denmark, Our immigration policy is no better.
- labster 2y agoBeing from the US, I would say that US media does not portray Denmark at all. Except once every few years as Greenland hodlers. Pretty much everything I know about Denmark is from watching Danish language TV on Netflix.
- belter 2y ago> Except once every few years as Greenland hodlers Only definition of Hodler seems to be: a true believer in cryptocurrency Is there some secret project going on in Greenland? :-)
- labster 2y agoIn this sense I meant hodl as in “hold”, “refuse to sell”. Completely unrelated to the lost Atlantean technology hidden under the ice, which can compute hashes 100x faster.
- SllX 2y agoHalf of the US media portrays half of the country as neo-Hitlers for being slightly more critical of immigration than their neighbors. We generally have one of the most open borders, relatively straightforward legal immigration paths and more than twice as many Green Card holders than Denmark has people. We also, at least for the moment, still have unrestricted birthright citizenship, a policy pretty much no countries in Europe have. So, don’t feel so alone.
- ricardobeat 2y agoYou have the added problem of 1% of them actually being neo-nazis.
- SllX 2y agoSure. Racism never died. The problem is when you lump a bunch of people who don’t deserve it in with the actual Neo-Nazis and paint them with an extremely broad brush as all of the same kind. If you look for Nazis, you can find them, but if you simply see Nazis everywhere, you don’t even have to look.
- _blk 2y agoSorry but I'll respectfully disagree. I've lived in Copenhagen, Zurich and the US anf traveled allt hose countries extensively. Danes are not portrayed as hitlers nor is CH doing "almost white-only immigration." Check out at least the french parts of Switzerland as a counter example. But I am sorry for any country that doesn't enforce their laws. Immigration only works if the rule of law works and when that's the case, it doesn't matter where people come from.
- Beretta_Vexee 2y ago> to the point that their "troublesome" immigrants are Europeans from France and Italy Depending on the canton, it is virtually impossible to become a Swiss citizen, even if you are married to a Swiss national and have been resident for ten years.
- maeil 2y agoIME the Swiss national football team has more Albanian and Serbian last names than Italian, and that's usually a pretty good proxy. They clearly managed to get residency. Easier for the kids of the foreign parents?
- lclc 2y agoThat's not true. If you are married to a Swiss, it's easy: https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/china/en/home/services/citizenship/erleichterte-einbuergerung-ehepartner.html https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/china/en/home/services/ci... Also, otherwise, it's easy but not automated. Lots of foreigners get a Swiss passport every year.
- iforgot22 2y agoThe US media doesn't portray Denmark this way. The only European countries whose immigration policies I've even heard of are Italy, Greece, Sweden, Germany, and the UK, and even those were only a couple of times (e.g. I vaguely remember something about Brexit).
- lclc 2y ago> almost amounts to white-only immigration This is wrong. > In 2023, 30,223 people applied for asylum in Switzerland, an increase of over 20% compared to 2022. The main countries of origin were Afghanistan, Türkiye, Eritrea, Algeria and Morocco. https://ecre.org/aida-country-report-on-switzerland-2023-update/ https://ecre.org/aida-country-report-on-switzerland-2023-upd... Compared to only 2,122 asylum applications from refugees in Denmark in 2023 overall. https://www.worlddata.info/europe/denmark/asylum.php https://www.worlddata.info/europe/denmark/asylum.php