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This is unfair comparison to Proton as it is bundled with their VPN, Calendar, Drive, and Password manager. Given all it comes with, it's very competitively pri

by swaits 2y ago

This is unfair comparison to Proton as it is bundled with their VPN, Calendar, Drive, and Password manager. Given all it comes with, it's very competitively priced. Additionally, they've been at it a long time and built a strong brand around privacy.

freeone3000 2y ago
But you can’t debundle those — you cannot get ProtonMail (which doesn’t have IMAP) without ProtonCalendar (which doesn’t have CalDAV), ProtonVPN, Proton Password Manager, and an expanding suite of services I already have solutions for that I like better. Being cheaper and only doing mail is a huge plus.
- 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 2y ago
  ProtonMail has IMAP via ProtonMail Bridge, which handles the decrypt/encrypt step locally - not sure how else it would be implemented. Ideas?
  - freeone3000 2y ago
    they offer a web client, so, they already have decryption keys for your email. They should just offer IMAPS like everybody else and stop pretending they couldn’t read your email if they wanted to.
    - magicalhippo 2y ago
      They say[1] they only store subject line and to/from addresses accessible to them. This should be sufficient to implement a web client which does client-side decryption of the content, in which case they indeed could not read the contents. And they do have the IMAP bridge, I've been using it for a year with Thunderbird without any issues so far. [1]: https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained
      - freeone3000 2y ago
        The client-side decryption works by using a key sent by protonmail. Proton has this key, because they sent it to you.
        magicalhippo 2y ago
        You can import your own encryption key though.
- dsissitka 2y ago
  It looks like standalone Proton Mail might still be available: https://proton.me/mail/pricing https://proton.me/mail/pricing
  - swaits 2y ago
    Oh didn't know that. And at $10/month. So the same price as in this advertisement pretending to be a blog post.
    - monkeywork 2y ago
      .. umm no Proton $10 per month Purely $10 per year.

by swaits 2y ago

freeone3000 2y ago

But you can’t debundle those — you cannot get ProtonMail (which doesn’t have IMAP) without ProtonCalendar (which doesn’t have CalDAV), ProtonVPN, Proton Password Manager, and an expanding suite of services I already have solutions for that I like better. Being cheaper and only doing mail is a huge plus.

6LLvveMx2koXfwn 2y ago
ProtonMail has IMAP via ProtonMail Bridge, which handles the decrypt/encrypt step locally - not sure how else it would be implemented. Ideas?
- freeone3000 2y ago
  they offer a web client, so, they already have decryption keys for your email. They should just offer IMAPS like everybody else and stop pretending they couldn’t read your email if they wanted to.
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    They say[1] they only store subject line and to/from addresses accessible to them. This should be sufficient to implement a web client which does client-side decryption of the content, in which case they indeed could not read the contents. And they do have the IMAP bridge, I've been using it for a year with Thunderbird without any issues so far. [1]: https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained
    - freeone3000 2y ago
      The client-side decryption works by using a key sent by protonmail. Proton has this key, because they sent it to you.
      - magicalhippo 2y ago
        You can import your own encryption key though.
dsissitka 2y ago
It looks like standalone Proton Mail might still be available: https://proton.me/mail/pricing https://proton.me/mail/pricing
- swaits 2y ago
  Oh didn't know that. And at $10/month. So the same price as in this advertisement pretending to be a blog post.
  - monkeywork 2y ago
    .. umm no Proton $10 per month Purely $10 per year.