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These are some pretty obscene claims to make with absolutely no proof or citation.

h0l0cube 2y ago
While they were exaggerating by saying, "a lot of protests", certainly there have been some protests that have been organized by Russian agitators https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/17/russian-troll-factory-activists-protests-us-election https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/17/russian-troll-...
- rainonmoon 2y ago
  Specifically, on that point they claimed "a lot of protests that turned violent," implying that Russian agitators were responsible for escalation. Unless the Russian agitators are members of the police, that seems very unlikely.
- ants_everywhere 2y ago
  > While they were exaggerating by saying, "a lot of protests" This 7 year old article mentions 60 protests for a single election https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-orchestrated-dozens-of-us-protests https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-... Obviously the number has grown since then, and this only includes a subset of the protests known to be organized by Russian agents.
  - h0l0cube 2y ago
    Huge shrug to that. Show me the evidence of the scale of it. 10%? 90%? There's an aspect of this reasoning that delegitimizes real protest movements, of which there are 'a lot', and of course there's a long history of 'a lot' of foreign geopolitical actors (including the US) of agitating actual grass-roots movements, muddying the waters even further.
    - ants_everywhere 2y ago
      At this point I think you're being less than honest with yourself. A group organizing 60 protests is organizing at scale because they want to create the perception of a movement. > There's an aspect of this reasoning that delegitimizes real protest movements Who cares? Our goal is to tell the truth, not to legitimize this or that. The fact is Russians organize a lot of protests in our country. And they're not the only ones who do.
      - h0l0cube 2y ago
        > I think you're being less than honest with yourself Are you sure that's me? > A group organizing 60 protests is organizing at scale Again: what scale? Are we talking all protests? Some? Half? What is "a lot"? > > delegitimizes real protest movements > Who cares? You would, when the protest is about something that matters to you. The very thing that divides so-called Western democracy from the evil Russians is the right to organize, criticize, and protest against the government. When you can't do these things, you're living in an autocracy, something like, um... Russia? I'll leave you to argue this one out with yourself.
        ants_everywhere 2y ago
        Yes I'm quite sure
ants_everywhere 2y ago
Have you considered reading any of the multiple reports put out every year about it? Or, I don't know, a history book?

While they were exaggerating by saying, "a lot of protests", certainly there have been some protests that have been organized by Russian agitators https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/17/russian-troll-factory-activists-protests-us-election https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/17/russian-troll-...

rainonmoon 2y ago
Specifically, on that point they claimed "a lot of protests that turned violent," implying that Russian agitators were responsible for escalation. Unless the Russian agitators are members of the police, that seems very unlikely.
ants_everywhere 2y ago
> While they were exaggerating by saying, "a lot of protests" This 7 year old article mentions 60 protests for a single election https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-orchestrated-dozens-of-us-protests https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-... Obviously the number has grown since then, and this only includes a subset of the protests known to be organized by Russian agents.
- h0l0cube 2y ago
  Huge shrug to that. Show me the evidence of the scale of it. 10%? 90%? There's an aspect of this reasoning that delegitimizes real protest movements, of which there are 'a lot', and of course there's a long history of 'a lot' of foreign geopolitical actors (including the US) of agitating actual grass-roots movements, muddying the waters even further.
  - ants_everywhere 2y ago
    At this point I think you're being less than honest with yourself. A group organizing 60 protests is organizing at scale because they want to create the perception of a movement. > There's an aspect of this reasoning that delegitimizes real protest movements Who cares? Our goal is to tell the truth, not to legitimize this or that. The fact is Russians organize a lot of protests in our country. And they're not the only ones who do.
    - h0l0cube 2y ago
      > I think you're being less than honest with yourself Are you sure that's me? > A group organizing 60 protests is organizing at scale Again: what scale? Are we talking all protests? Some? Half? What is "a lot"? > > delegitimizes real protest movements > Who cares? You would, when the protest is about something that matters to you. The very thing that divides so-called Western democracy from the evil Russians is the right to organize, criticize, and protest against the government. When you can't do these things, you're living in an autocracy, something like, um... Russia? I'll leave you to argue this one out with yourself.
      - ants_everywhere 2y ago
        Yes I'm quite sure

ants_everywhere 2y ago

Have you considered reading any of the multiple reports put out every year about it? Or, I don't know, a history book?