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How is deliverability? Because for $11/year you can get a simple kvm machine and run your own servers.

by 77pt77 2y ago

jimmydoe 2y ago
your time worth a lot more.
anshargal 2y ago
there are not a lot of options to get a virtual server under $1 per month, especially with IPv4 address
- selcuka 2y ago
  RackNerd offers one for $10.99 a year [1]. I've used them before and they are a solid provider. Besides you can use the same server and same IPv4 address for hosting multiple email domains. [1] https://vncoupon.com/black-friday-racknerd-huge-savings-special-vps/ https://vncoupon.com/black-friday-racknerd-huge-savings-spec...
- 77pt77 2y ago
  15 USD or EUR a year is almost trivial. It will have more than enough resources for SMTP, IMAP, HTTP, and even a personal VPN. It's really not difficult. The problem is that most IPs will be tainted and unless you are a major player, email deliverability sucks. That's why I asked, because these guys were unknown to me.
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Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
I have heard this a lot of times but self hosting email is one of the hardest things to do , sure if you are masochist then do it , but if you are a working functional part of society , not recommended.
- abdullahkhalids 2y ago
  I installed Mailinabox [1] four years ago. There was one annoying upgrade, whose process needs to improved, but outside of that haven't touched anything. Only a couple of random domains where email delivery has failed. Otherwise, it just delivers to all the big providers. [1] https://mailinabox.email/ https://mailinabox.email/
  - NetOpWibby 2y ago
    That annoying upgrade is the reason I’m planning on moving to Stalwart[1]. I’m still on the old MiaB version and I’ve always been interested in JMAP (which Stalwart supports) [1]: https://stalw.art https://stalw.art
- MrDrMcCoy 2y ago
  As someone that's self-hosted email for years, I don't think it's that hard. There's plenty of great solutions that make it easy. Sure, there are footguns, but they are well known and easy to avoid.
- bhaney 2y ago
  > self hosting email is one of the hardest things to do I spent an hour setting up postfix and some milters on a Digital Ocean droplet around 7 years ago and it's been working fine as my personal email server with no deliverability issues or maintenance since then. I ssh in every few years to try out a new spam filter or something and maybe upgrade some packages if I feel like it. These days there are even easier mail-in-a-box style turnkey deployments that work just as well but don't need as much knowledge or setup as bare postfix. At this point, the biggest barrier to self-hosting email is the deafening cries of people who don't know what they're talking about parroting how impossible it is to do.
  - Kwpolska 2y ago
    Setting up a mail server isn't hard. Making it trustworthy enough for Gmail, Yahoo, or Outlook.com to accept your messages and not put them in the spam folder is the hard part. Especially if whoever had your IP address previously was sending spam.
TZubiri 2y ago
Are you insinuating 11$/yr is too expensive for the service lmao. It's so cheap people probably don't buy it because it will go bankrupt.

How is deliverability? Because for $11/year you can get a simple kvm machine and run your own servers.

by 77pt77 2y ago

How is deliverability? Because for $11/year you can get a simple kvm machine and run your own servers.

jimmydoe 2y ago

your time worth a lot more.

anshargal 2y ago

there are not a lot of options to get a virtual server under $1 per month, especially with IPv4 address

selcuka 2y ago
RackNerd offers one for $10.99 a year [1]. I've used them before and they are a solid provider. Besides you can use the same server and same IPv4 address for hosting multiple email domains. [1] https://vncoupon.com/black-friday-racknerd-huge-savings-special-vps/ https://vncoupon.com/black-friday-racknerd-huge-savings-spec...
77pt77 2y ago
15 USD or EUR a year is almost trivial. It will have more than enough resources for SMTP, IMAP, HTTP, and even a personal VPN. It's really not difficult. The problem is that most IPs will be tainted and unless you are a major player, email deliverability sucks. That's why I asked, because these guys were unknown to me.

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Imustaskforhelp 2y ago

I have heard this a lot of times but self hosting email is one of the hardest things to do , sure if you are masochist then do it , but if you are a working functional part of society , not recommended.

abdullahkhalids 2y ago
I installed Mailinabox [1] four years ago. There was one annoying upgrade, whose process needs to improved, but outside of that haven't touched anything. Only a couple of random domains where email delivery has failed. Otherwise, it just delivers to all the big providers. [1] https://mailinabox.email/ https://mailinabox.email/
- NetOpWibby 2y ago
  That annoying upgrade is the reason I’m planning on moving to Stalwart[1]. I’m still on the old MiaB version and I’ve always been interested in JMAP (which Stalwart supports) [1]: https://stalw.art https://stalw.art
MrDrMcCoy 2y ago
As someone that's self-hosted email for years, I don't think it's that hard. There's plenty of great solutions that make it easy. Sure, there are footguns, but they are well known and easy to avoid.
bhaney 2y ago
> self hosting email is one of the hardest things to do I spent an hour setting up postfix and some milters on a Digital Ocean droplet around 7 years ago and it's been working fine as my personal email server with no deliverability issues or maintenance since then. I ssh in every few years to try out a new spam filter or something and maybe upgrade some packages if I feel like it. These days there are even easier mail-in-a-box style turnkey deployments that work just as well but don't need as much knowledge or setup as bare postfix. At this point, the biggest barrier to self-hosting email is the deafening cries of people who don't know what they're talking about parroting how impossible it is to do.
- Kwpolska 2y ago
  Setting up a mail server isn't hard. Making it trustworthy enough for Gmail, Yahoo, or Outlook.com to accept your messages and not put them in the spam folder is the hard part. Especially if whoever had your IP address previously was sending spam.

TZubiri 2y ago

Are you insinuating 11$/yr is too expensive for the service lmao. It's so cheap people probably don't buy it because it will go bankrupt.