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Just release an AI agent that replaces lawyers.

by mullingitover 2y ago

shlomo_z 2y ago
First release one that replaces programmers then we'll talk :).
- mullingitover 2y ago
  I think we can all agree the first to go should be the VCs.
aprilthird2021 2y ago
The fact that anyone thinks this will ever happen reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of what a lawyer does. They are responsible and liable for your case to be presented to a judge. An AI can't be liable and responsible for that. It will still need someone to rubber stamp its output. And that person will be a credentialed lawyer
- mullingitover 2y ago
  True, but one lawyer can do a huge amount of rubber stamping. That takes the price of billable hours to nearly zero. Don’t get me started on replacing judges with AI agents. At the end of the day they’re just lawyers as well.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    You… may misunderstand what the ‘rubber stamping’ is actually about. A lawyer signing off on something, at least theoretically, means that someone has read it, understood it, considering how it pertains to [whatever], and can stand over it. An LLM pretending to (the above) is not a reasonable substitute.
    - Izkata 2y ago
      "Rubber stamping" is an English idiom that specifically means to approve without reading or understanding it.
    - mullingitover 2y ago
      > A lawyer signing off on something, at least theoretically, means that someone has read it, understood it, considering how it pertains to [whatever], and can stand over it. How often does the lawyer/judge actually read everything as opposed to trusting the work of their paralegals/clerks?
      - aprilthird2021 2y ago
        My wife was a clerk. The judges read every line multiple times because most clerk submissions go through multiple drafts
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    Haha, what? You have to read the entire thing to rubber stamp it and then fix any issues. It's really not going to take billable hours to nearly zero at all. And it will be even more difficult for judges, whose rulings set precedent and thus must be carefully worded

Just release an AI agent that replaces lawyers.

shlomo_z 2y ago

First release one that replaces programmers then we'll talk :).

mullingitover 2y ago
I think we can all agree the first to go should be the VCs.

aprilthird2021 2y ago

The fact that anyone thinks this will ever happen reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of what a lawyer does. They are responsible and liable for your case to be presented to a judge. An AI can't be liable and responsible for that. It will still need someone to rubber stamp its output. And that person will be a credentialed lawyer

mullingitover 2y ago
True, but one lawyer can do a huge amount of rubber stamping. That takes the price of billable hours to nearly zero. Don’t get me started on replacing judges with AI agents. At the end of the day they’re just lawyers as well.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  You… may misunderstand what the ‘rubber stamping’ is actually about. A lawyer signing off on something, at least theoretically, means that someone has read it, understood it, considering how it pertains to [whatever], and can stand over it. An LLM pretending to (the above) is not a reasonable substitute.
  - Izkata 2y ago
    "Rubber stamping" is an English idiom that specifically means to approve without reading or understanding it.
  - mullingitover 2y ago
    > A lawyer signing off on something, at least theoretically, means that someone has read it, understood it, considering how it pertains to [whatever], and can stand over it. How often does the lawyer/judge actually read everything as opposed to trusting the work of their paralegals/clerks?
    - aprilthird2021 2y ago
      My wife was a clerk. The judges read every line multiple times because most clerk submissions go through multiple drafts
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  Haha, what? You have to read the entire thing to rubber stamp it and then fix any issues. It's really not going to take billable hours to nearly zero at all. And it will be even more difficult for judges, whose rulings set precedent and thus must be carefully worded