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It's no different from X11, which is also a protocol/spec with many implementations.

by sho_hn 2y ago

josefx 2y ago
If there is no difference then how does the official reference implementation of Wayland, that nearly everyone uses daily, handle it? /s
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Vilian 2y ago
The difference is that x11 was SK bag that you required a tons of plugins to have a working system(xorg) and no one could reliable maintain that mess of codes and plugins where every change could break another
- account42 2y ago
  Funny seing as X.Org is still being maintained and still works to this day.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Works: Yes Maintained: Only for bugfixes, except by metux, who is working on starting a fork.
- donio 2y ago
  The extension situation is already much worse in Wayland than in X11. In my X11 server there are about 25 extensions and only a handful are required for modern desktop functionality. Wayland already has well over a hundred extensions (protocols) and dozens of them have to be implemented by each compositor just to get basic stuff working. https://wayland.app/protocols/ https://wayland.app/protocols/
- mdedetrich 2y ago
  I have a news flash for you, the situation with extensions in Wayland is ten times worse than X11. Wayland requires an extension for what used to be considered basic functionality in a desktop environment.
jeroenhd 2y ago
Could've fooled me! I've only ever seen Linux devices run Xorg. Maybe some embedded hardware runs an alternative, but Xorg seems to be the de facto standard for desktop Linux. This isn't a big issue because Xorg splits a basic GUI into dozens of different daemons and services (compositors, window managers, input daemons) so it seems like there are different X11 implementations even when there's usually only Xorg.
- account42 2y ago
  Give Wayland a bit more time and it will also ossify to the point where it becomes unviable to create competing implementations. Most of the smaller compositors are already there.
  - immibis 2y ago
    wlroots appears to be the single ossified implementation of Wayland.
- bluGill 2y ago
  Only linux. I have run several different X servers on windows (3.1), OS/2, and such. But xorg is free and so that is what you use on linux.
- Lammy 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:X_servers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:X_servers

It's no different from X11, which is also a protocol/spec with many implementations.

by sho_hn 2y ago

It's no different from X11, which is also a protocol/spec with many implementations.

If there is no difference then how does the official reference implementation of Wayland, that nearly everyone uses daily, handle it? /s

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Vilian 2y ago

The difference is that x11 was SK bag that you required a tons of plugins to have a working system(xorg) and no one could reliable maintain that mess of codes and plugins where every change could break another

account42 2y ago
Funny seing as X.Org is still being maintained and still works to this day.
- immibis 2y ago
  Works: Yes Maintained: Only for bugfixes, except by metux, who is working on starting a fork.
donio 2y ago
The extension situation is already much worse in Wayland than in X11. In my X11 server there are about 25 extensions and only a handful are required for modern desktop functionality. Wayland already has well over a hundred extensions (protocols) and dozens of them have to be implemented by each compositor just to get basic stuff working. https://wayland.app/protocols/ https://wayland.app/protocols/
mdedetrich 2y ago
I have a news flash for you, the situation with extensions in Wayland is ten times worse than X11. Wayland requires an extension for what used to be considered basic functionality in a desktop environment.

jeroenhd 2y ago

Could've fooled me! I've only ever seen Linux devices run Xorg. Maybe some embedded hardware runs an alternative, but Xorg seems to be the de facto standard for desktop Linux. This isn't a big issue because Xorg splits a basic GUI into dozens of different daemons and services (compositors, window managers, input daemons) so it seems like there are different X11 implementations even when there's usually only Xorg.

account42 2y ago
Give Wayland a bit more time and it will also ossify to the point where it becomes unviable to create competing implementations. Most of the smaller compositors are already there.
- immibis 2y ago
  wlroots appears to be the single ossified implementation of Wayland.
bluGill 2y ago
Only linux. I have run several different X servers on windows (3.1), OS/2, and such. But xorg is free and so that is what you use on linux.
Lammy 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:X_servers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:X_servers