There is also the option to make complexity disappear by just convincing people that they should not want to do what they want to do. This was the kind of respo

There is also the option to make complexity disappear by just convincing people that they should not want to do what they want to do. This was the kind of response to what I needed to do. Then I had to switch back to x11. In any case wayland is not bad if you only have pretty basic needs I guess, some basic things look easier to me there from a user perspective, and troubleshooting x11-related issues for a non-technical person is no fun either.