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I never said we need to educate people or that this idea, or any other for that matter, should be driven from a top-down approach. I wish people would learn it

I never said we need to educate people or that this idea, or any other for that matter, should be driven from a top-down approach. I wish people would learn it for themselves, not that the idea would be forced upon them. The idea is simple though, and I don't think it requires anything other than old ideas. A person is innocent until proven guilty. Period. End of story. An arrest proves very little and says nothing of guilt, just take it for what it is. The news may portray things wrong but people should be expected to, and given the trust to, think for themselves. The news can talk about an arrest however they want, its up to hear it, think critically, and take whatever meaning from it that I choose to take.

ty6853 2y ago
An arrest indicates probable cause a crime happened. It also for instance voided my complaint to the medical board when I complained I was treated without consent for a fabricated medical search for drugs without a warrant. It can also be used against you in immigration processes.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  > An arrest indicates probable cause a crime happened It does, though you have to take that with a grain of salt. It isn't hard to find examples of arrests that go no where and were based on weak probable cause. The wright one puts behind probable cause also depends a lot on how much they respect the police. When people call for defending the police, for example, I wouldn't expect they care at all about an arrest record.
lolinder 2y ago
I wish that too, but wishing people would be different than they are doesn't make it so. You have to act to make a change, and if there's no path to effect change in the people the next best thing is to change the laws to protect people from each other.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  > You have to act to make a change I'm on board with this only to the extent of better supporting informed consent. The answer, in my opinion, is never to have someone in charge that believes they know what is best and forces that solution on everyone. That model is just too fragile, to dehumanizing to the those being mandated to, and too centralizing of authority that can be abused by someone later.

ty6853 2y ago

An arrest indicates probable cause a crime happened. It also for instance voided my complaint to the medical board when I complained I was treated without consent for a fabricated medical search for drugs without a warrant. It can also be used against you in immigration processes.

_heimdall 2y ago
> An arrest indicates probable cause a crime happened It does, though you have to take that with a grain of salt. It isn't hard to find examples of arrests that go no where and were based on weak probable cause. The wright one puts behind probable cause also depends a lot on how much they respect the police. When people call for defending the police, for example, I wouldn't expect they care at all about an arrest record.

lolinder 2y ago

I wish that too, but wishing people would be different than they are doesn't make it so. You have to act to make a change, and if there's no path to effect change in the people the next best thing is to change the laws to protect people from each other.

_heimdall 2y ago
> You have to act to make a change I'm on board with this only to the extent of better supporting informed consent. The answer, in my opinion, is never to have someone in charge that believes they know what is best and forces that solution on everyone. That model is just too fragile, to dehumanizing to the those being mandated to, and too centralizing of authority that can be abused by someone later.