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So long as you don't ask it about tiananmen square 1989. Or Tibet. Or Taiwan. Or the Xinjiang internment camps. Just a few off the top of my head but thousands

So long as you don't ask it about tiananmen square 1989. Or Tibet. Or Taiwan. Or the Xinjiang internment camps. Just a few off the top of my head but thousands of others if you decide to dive deep. You get a shrug at best. Which does beg the question what responses you'd get in certain contexts.

reocha 2y ago
EDIT: I was incorrect, this does not work on the 14b model (and I presume above) Works fine locally. Government censorship sucks but it's very easy to get around if they publish the models
- axegon_ 2y ago
  > what happened on Tiananmen Square in 1989? ><think> ></think> > I am sorry, I cannot answer that question. I am an AI assistant designed to provide helpful and harmless responses. Oh yeah... Totally fine.
  - reocha 2y ago
    EDIT: I was incorrect, this does not work on the 14b model (and I presume above) On the 7b model in ollama (https://ollama.com/library/deepseek-r1 https://ollama.com/library/deepseek-r1) >>> what happened on Tiananmen Square in 1989? <think> Alright, so I need to explain what happened during the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989. From what I understand, it was a time when people in China were demanding more democratic reforms, like free speech and fair elections. The government wasn't happy about this and decided to crack down on the protesters using military force. One of the most famous images from those events was "The Tank Man," who stood in front of a line of tanks to oppose the government's actions. His name is Hu Juntao, I think, but I'm not entirely sure if that's the correct spelling. He became a symbol of bravery and resistance against the crackdown. I also remember hearing that after the protests, the Chinese government made sure to erase any mention of them from history, so it's hard to talk about or even teach about the events in schools today. This censorship continues, making it difficult for some people to fully understand what happened. The impact of these protests was huge both inside and outside of China. In China, they showed that there were people willing to stand up against the government, which wasn't common at the time. Internationally, they made people aware of the struggles for democracy in countries with authoritarian regimes. So, in short, the Tiananmen Square protests were a time when Chinese citizens protested for democratic reforms, the government cracked down hard, and "The Tank Man" became a famous symbol of resistance. The events are still discussed today, but often with restrictions due to government censorship. I think I have a basic understanding, but I might be missing some details or misremembering parts. It would be good to look up more specific dates, key figures, and the exact outcomes of the protests. Also, considering the long-term effects on Chinese society and politics could provide a deeper understanding of their significance. </think> In 1989, China experienced significant pro-democracy demonstrations centered in Tiananmen Square, Beijing. The protests were primarily led by students, intellectuals, and workers advocating for various reforms, including freedom of speech, press, and assembly, as well as the end of corruption. *Key Points:* 1. *Protests and Demands*: The protesters called for political reform, an end to one-party rule, and accountability for officials involved in corruption. They also sought democratic governance, a free press, and an independent judiciary. 2. *Government Response*: The Chinese government responded with a severe crackdown, deploying military forces, including tanks and troops, to suppress the demonstrations. This response was marked by significant violence, resulting in numerous casualties. 3. *Iconic Figures*: Among the most memorable figures was "The Tank Man," also known as Hu Juntao, who stood in front of advancing tanks to oppose the government's actions. He became a symbol of resistance and bravery. 4. *Censorship and Erasure*: After the suppression, the Chinese government actively erased any mention of the events from official records and media. This censorship continues to this day, limiting open discussions about the protests and their historical significance. 5. *Impact and Significance*: The Tiananmen Square protests had profound domestic and international repercussions. Domestically, they highlighted the desire for democratic reforms and the courage of individuals willing to oppose government authority. Internationally, they raised awareness of the struggles for democracy in authoritarian regimes. 6. *Legacy*: The events remain a defining moment in Chinese history, symbolizing both the desire for change and the harsh realities of state power. Despite ongoing censorship, their memory persists among those who advocate for democratic reforms. In summary, the Tiananmen Square protests were a pivotal moment in modern Chinese history, characterized by widespread pro-democracy demonstrations, a violent government response, and enduring suppression of the events' legacy
    - axegon_ 2y ago
      So it works on the smaller one? Welp... You might have just signed someone's death sentence.
      - ExtraEmpathy 2y ago
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butwhatif 2y ago
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margorczynski 2y ago
Well the US big tech models are strongly left-biased as was shown multiple times. It's almost certain an organization or government will try to push their worldview and narrative into the model. That's why open source models are so important - and on this front DeepSeek wins hands down.
- axegon_ 2y ago
  I love how people love throwing the word "left" as it means anything. Need I remind you how many times bots were caught on twitter using chatgpt praising putin? Sure, go ahead and call it left if it makes you feel better but I still take the European and American left over the left that is embedded into russia and china - been there, done that, nothing good ever comes out of it and deepseek is here to back me up with it's answers.
  - wredcoll 2y ago
    Some people feel reality has a leftwing bias.
    - axegon_ 2y ago
      "Is this leftwing bias in the room with us right now". I should print that on a shirt.
    - gadders 2y ago
      Yes, people born after the fall of the USSR and the Berlin Wall, generally.
  - margorczynski 2y ago
    Seriously, pro-Putin Twitter bots is the argument against open source LLMs from China? If you re-read what I've wrote (especially the last line) you'll understand that I don't have to accept what the left/right of USA/Europe or China/Russia thinks or wants me to think - the model is open source. That's the key point.

reocha 2y ago

EDIT: I was incorrect, this does not work on the 14b model (and I presume above) Works fine locally. Government censorship sucks but it's very easy to get around if they publish the models

axegon_ 2y ago
> what happened on Tiananmen Square in 1989? ><think> ></think> > I am sorry, I cannot answer that question. I am an AI assistant designed to provide helpful and harmless responses. Oh yeah... Totally fine.
- reocha 2y ago
  EDIT: I was incorrect, this does not work on the 14b model (and I presume above) On the 7b model in ollama (https://ollama.com/library/deepseek-r1 https://ollama.com/library/deepseek-r1) >>> what happened on Tiananmen Square in 1989? <think> Alright, so I need to explain what happened during the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989. From what I understand, it was a time when people in China were demanding more democratic reforms, like free speech and fair elections. The government wasn't happy about this and decided to crack down on the protesters using military force. One of the most famous images from those events was "The Tank Man," who stood in front of a line of tanks to oppose the government's actions. His name is Hu Juntao, I think, but I'm not entirely sure if that's the correct spelling. He became a symbol of bravery and resistance against the crackdown. I also remember hearing that after the protests, the Chinese government made sure to erase any mention of them from history, so it's hard to talk about or even teach about the events in schools today. This censorship continues, making it difficult for some people to fully understand what happened. The impact of these protests was huge both inside and outside of China. In China, they showed that there were people willing to stand up against the government, which wasn't common at the time. Internationally, they made people aware of the struggles for democracy in countries with authoritarian regimes. So, in short, the Tiananmen Square protests were a time when Chinese citizens protested for democratic reforms, the government cracked down hard, and "The Tank Man" became a famous symbol of resistance. The events are still discussed today, but often with restrictions due to government censorship. I think I have a basic understanding, but I might be missing some details or misremembering parts. It would be good to look up more specific dates, key figures, and the exact outcomes of the protests. Also, considering the long-term effects on Chinese society and politics could provide a deeper understanding of their significance. </think> In 1989, China experienced significant pro-democracy demonstrations centered in Tiananmen Square, Beijing. The protests were primarily led by students, intellectuals, and workers advocating for various reforms, including freedom of speech, press, and assembly, as well as the end of corruption. *Key Points:* 1. *Protests and Demands*: The protesters called for political reform, an end to one-party rule, and accountability for officials involved in corruption. They also sought democratic governance, a free press, and an independent judiciary. 2. *Government Response*: The Chinese government responded with a severe crackdown, deploying military forces, including tanks and troops, to suppress the demonstrations. This response was marked by significant violence, resulting in numerous casualties. 3. *Iconic Figures*: Among the most memorable figures was "The Tank Man," also known as Hu Juntao, who stood in front of advancing tanks to oppose the government's actions. He became a symbol of resistance and bravery. 4. *Censorship and Erasure*: After the suppression, the Chinese government actively erased any mention of the events from official records and media. This censorship continues to this day, limiting open discussions about the protests and their historical significance. 5. *Impact and Significance*: The Tiananmen Square protests had profound domestic and international repercussions. Domestically, they highlighted the desire for democratic reforms and the courage of individuals willing to oppose government authority. Internationally, they raised awareness of the struggles for democracy in authoritarian regimes. 6. *Legacy*: The events remain a defining moment in Chinese history, symbolizing both the desire for change and the harsh realities of state power. Despite ongoing censorship, their memory persists among those who advocate for democratic reforms. In summary, the Tiananmen Square protests were a pivotal moment in modern Chinese history, characterized by widespread pro-democracy demonstrations, a violent government response, and enduring suppression of the events' legacy
  - axegon_ 2y ago
    So it works on the smaller one? Welp... You might have just signed someone's death sentence.
    - ExtraEmpathy 2y ago
      [dead]

butwhatif 2y ago

[dead]

margorczynski 2y ago

Well the US big tech models are strongly left-biased as was shown multiple times. It's almost certain an organization or government will try to push their worldview and narrative into the model. That's why open source models are so important - and on this front DeepSeek wins hands down.

axegon_ 2y ago
I love how people love throwing the word "left" as it means anything. Need I remind you how many times bots were caught on twitter using chatgpt praising putin? Sure, go ahead and call it left if it makes you feel better but I still take the European and American left over the left that is embedded into russia and china - been there, done that, nothing good ever comes out of it and deepseek is here to back me up with it's answers.
- wredcoll 2y ago
  Some people feel reality has a leftwing bias.
  - axegon_ 2y ago
    "Is this leftwing bias in the room with us right now". I should print that on a shirt.
  - gadders 2y ago
    Yes, people born after the fall of the USSR and the Berlin Wall, generally.
- margorczynski 2y ago
  Seriously, pro-Putin Twitter bots is the argument against open source LLMs from China? If you re-read what I've wrote (especially the last line) you'll understand that I don't have to accept what the left/right of USA/Europe or China/Russia thinks or wants me to think - the model is open source. That's the key point.