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Is that something a country is actually allowed to do? Isn’t that international water?

armcat 2y ago
Lot of shipping lanes in the baltic are international waters, but to get into baltic, you have to pass through Danish waters.
- echoangle 2y ago
  Looks like they signed the right to inspect ships passing the straight away though, if I’m understanding this correctly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Convention_of_1857 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Convention_of_1857
  - armcat 2y ago
    Maritime law is definitely not my forte, but I think the convention was related to the tolls imposed to pass through these waters (Sweden's Gota Kanal was built to bypass this). It's also related to "innocent passage", which may not be so innocent in this case. Either way, there are probably provisions here for Denmark to close this off, as ultimately they are Danish waters.
  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    Now make inspection queue 3 years long.
belorn 2y ago
There are some wriggle room here. The rights provided by the UN do have conditions, like protection of undersea cables. If a country do not enforce such protection, they could in theory loose the right associated with international waters. Insurance requirements could in this theory be used to codify compliance with the requirements of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
alkonaut 2y ago
Denmark can put some constraints for ships passing the straits. They are danish water. So the Baltic is special in that you can’t reach it on international water. Similar to the Black Sea. But these restrictions are codified in existing agreements so I don’t think Denmark could easily and unilaterally change them to include more conditions. But they could start enforcing ships following the existing requirements for environmental safety and insurance. It would make life pretty difficult for those shipping oil past the sanctions in rusty single hull tankers.

Lot of shipping lanes in the baltic are international waters, but to get into baltic, you have to pass through Danish waters.

echoangle 2y ago
Looks like they signed the right to inspect ships passing the straight away though, if I’m understanding this correctly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Convention_of_1857 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Convention_of_1857
- armcat 2y ago
  Maritime law is definitely not my forte, but I think the convention was related to the tolls imposed to pass through these waters (Sweden's Gota Kanal was built to bypass this). It's also related to "innocent passage", which may not be so innocent in this case. Either way, there are probably provisions here for Denmark to close this off, as ultimately they are Danish waters.
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  Now make inspection queue 3 years long.

belorn 2y ago

There are some wriggle room here. The rights provided by the UN do have conditions, like protection of undersea cables. If a country do not enforce such protection, they could in theory loose the right associated with international waters. Insurance requirements could in this theory be used to codify compliance with the requirements of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

alkonaut 2y ago

Denmark can put some constraints for ships passing the straits. They are danish water. So the Baltic is special in that you can’t reach it on international water. Similar to the Black Sea. But these restrictions are codified in existing agreements so I don’t think Denmark could easily and unilaterally change them to include more conditions. But they could start enforcing ships following the existing requirements for environmental safety and insurance. It would make life pretty difficult for those shipping oil past the sanctions in rusty single hull tankers.