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> How dare you paint it as “mostly harmless.” Yes I am sorry for your loss. Now let's get to the point. Because I understand statistics and am making sweeping

by rob_c 2y ago

> How dare you paint it as “mostly harmless.” Yes I am sorry for your loss. Now let's get to the point. Because I understand statistics and am making sweeping statements I can and will make them from an objective viewpoint. Please do NOT sensor proven facts. I don't care for bible thumping tora humping nonsense that does not match reality. I'll take 2k years of religion and raise you 50 years of tech, oled TVs and microprocessors. I know someone who ended up hospitalised and several years later does from complications due to a winter flu, doesn't mean we shut down society _every year_. CV19 was a novel virus introduced into an existing population without any pre-existing immunity. This meant we will see complications, deaths at every age group and people's lives ruined by something that most 4yo, 25yo and 68yo will simply shake off. Again the statement of millions dead _DOES NOT_ match the real world where several developed nations with populations sub 1B did not have dead numbers into the 10M+ of healthy individuals. People died yes. This is expected. It is an illness. People die of staph infections. Life is unfair. That _DOES NOT_ mean that this is equivalent to small pox. It's not a bioweapon it just meant the subpopulations who we identified really early (2020) should have isolated or accepted their risk. The rest of society should not bend for the risk (again high survivability even in at risk groups). If it did we wouldn't sell guns, scissors or cross the road.

drewbug01 2y ago
> Yes I am sorry for your loss. Now let's get to the point I hope that people do not treat you with the callousness with which you treat others. > Because I understand statistics and am making sweeping statements I can and will make them from an objective viewpoint. Please do NOT sensor proven facts. I don't care for bible thumping tora humping nonsense that does not match reality. I'll take 2k years of religion and raise you 50 years of tech, oled TVs and microprocessors. My friend, you are speaking gibberish. I literally have no idea what you are trying to say. Maybe check your house for a gas leak, or something. I don’t mean it in a dismissive way - I quite literally cannot make heads or tails of what you’re saying here. > Again the statement of millions dead _DOES NOT_ match the real world The dead are dead whether you like it or not. Sounds like the pandemic didn’t affect you personally. Be grateful for that, and be kinder to others.
- rob_c 2y ago
  > be kinder to others. You effectively told me to shut up because of the way you feel when talking about facts. This is the ultimate in anti-intellectual, dishonest and selfish statements. Check yourself before engaging in conversations about FACTS.
  - drewbug01 2y ago
    > You effectively told me to shut up because of the way you feel when talking about facts. You waltzed into a thread about the CIA suddenly changing their tune about where COVID came from; and started making assertions that it wasn’t that bad. I shared a deeply personal story about exactly how bad it was, from my vantage point. I expressed outrage at your dismissal of the suffering and many deaths that occurred. “How dare you” isn’t the same as “shut up.” But it is a strong suggestion that you’re being uncharitable. > Check yourself before engaging in conversations about FACTS. I scrolled through your comment history and based on some recent arguments with the mods, it sounds like you’ve have a bone to pick with people on this site. Log off and touch grass, man.
    - rob_c 2y ago
      Touching grass is honestly not a problem for me. But I like that you think I'm trapped behind a keyboard. Must have hit a nerve if we're getting close to name calling. Please refrain from this. I'm telling you facts because for 4+ years nobody listens. I've been correct in calling every detail about CV19 because I was involved and shut out of the early criticisms of the modelling based on the data. I'm correct and I'm just shouting into the void so that I can go away and rest easy that "I told you so", I tried ignoring it but frankly shouting until blue in the face helps my conscience easier. You didn't just share a story you took offence to my position and tried to shut it down. Again, not approaching discourse honestly and openly. Please learn to be wrong. I know I can be. But again not when I'm stating hammer and nail facts. The earth is round, sky blue and water wet. Not the Orwellian everyone has a story type "facts". Words have meanings, please don't let that get lost for the sake of future generations. Again mostly harmless is met with, the worst story I personally have is discomfort and complications. This unfortunately is not deaths by the millions of healthy people. But it is obviously real, it's just a different thing.
latentcall 2y ago
Ah the “COVID wasn’t that bad” denial psychosis. Haven’t seen it in a while.
- rob_c 2y ago
  Given the original reason for lockdown in the UK was 20% all cause mortality. 100% expected fatalities above about 70 and hospitals struggling for oxygen supplies. Yes it was not that bad. No that’s not an exaggeration, that’s why lockdown 1 happened. After that is just memeing from both sides about microchips and death walkers without masks on. The it wasn’t that bad is honestly true. Again it was a novel virus introduced into a population with no immunity, but frankly keeping the economy going would have been better than paying people to stay at home and worry. The cost is starting to come home to roost if we’re not careful and the socioeconomic results of a global depression could genuinely kill more, displace more and lead to political turmoil and violence. That is not worth just telling gran I’m sorry, the rest of us can go outside but we recommend you don’t. Again practicing lecturer in applied stats talking so I understand the gritty details of the models and projections.

by rob_c 2y ago

drewbug01 2y ago

> Yes I am sorry for your loss. Now let's get to the point I hope that people do not treat you with the callousness with which you treat others. > Because I understand statistics and am making sweeping statements I can and will make them from an objective viewpoint. Please do NOT sensor proven facts. I don't care for bible thumping tora humping nonsense that does not match reality. I'll take 2k years of religion and raise you 50 years of tech, oled TVs and microprocessors. My friend, you are speaking gibberish. I literally have no idea what you are trying to say. Maybe check your house for a gas leak, or something. I don’t mean it in a dismissive way - I quite literally cannot make heads or tails of what you’re saying here. > Again the statement of millions dead _DOES NOT_ match the real world The dead are dead whether you like it or not. Sounds like the pandemic didn’t affect you personally. Be grateful for that, and be kinder to others.

rob_c 2y ago
> be kinder to others. You effectively told me to shut up because of the way you feel when talking about facts. This is the ultimate in anti-intellectual, dishonest and selfish statements. Check yourself before engaging in conversations about FACTS.
- drewbug01 2y ago
  > You effectively told me to shut up because of the way you feel when talking about facts. You waltzed into a thread about the CIA suddenly changing their tune about where COVID came from; and started making assertions that it wasn’t that bad. I shared a deeply personal story about exactly how bad it was, from my vantage point. I expressed outrage at your dismissal of the suffering and many deaths that occurred. “How dare you” isn’t the same as “shut up.” But it is a strong suggestion that you’re being uncharitable. > Check yourself before engaging in conversations about FACTS. I scrolled through your comment history and based on some recent arguments with the mods, it sounds like you’ve have a bone to pick with people on this site. Log off and touch grass, man.
  - rob_c 2y ago
    Touching grass is honestly not a problem for me. But I like that you think I'm trapped behind a keyboard. Must have hit a nerve if we're getting close to name calling. Please refrain from this. I'm telling you facts because for 4+ years nobody listens. I've been correct in calling every detail about CV19 because I was involved and shut out of the early criticisms of the modelling based on the data. I'm correct and I'm just shouting into the void so that I can go away and rest easy that "I told you so", I tried ignoring it but frankly shouting until blue in the face helps my conscience easier. You didn't just share a story you took offence to my position and tried to shut it down. Again, not approaching discourse honestly and openly. Please learn to be wrong. I know I can be. But again not when I'm stating hammer and nail facts. The earth is round, sky blue and water wet. Not the Orwellian everyone has a story type "facts". Words have meanings, please don't let that get lost for the sake of future generations. Again mostly harmless is met with, the worst story I personally have is discomfort and complications. This unfortunately is not deaths by the millions of healthy people. But it is obviously real, it's just a different thing.

latentcall 2y ago

Ah the “COVID wasn’t that bad” denial psychosis. Haven’t seen it in a while.

rob_c 2y ago
Given the original reason for lockdown in the UK was 20% all cause mortality. 100% expected fatalities above about 70 and hospitals struggling for oxygen supplies. Yes it was not that bad. No that’s not an exaggeration, that’s why lockdown 1 happened. After that is just memeing from both sides about microchips and death walkers without masks on. The it wasn’t that bad is honestly true. Again it was a novel virus introduced into a population with no immunity, but frankly keeping the economy going would have been better than paying people to stay at home and worry. The cost is starting to come home to roost if we’re not careful and the socioeconomic results of a global depression could genuinely kill more, displace more and lead to political turmoil and violence. That is not worth just telling gran I’m sorry, the rest of us can go outside but we recommend you don’t. Again practicing lecturer in applied stats talking so I understand the gritty details of the models and projections.