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> that all goes under a single unhelpful name (Copilot) This isn't even a new dumb move for Microsoft. In the early 2000s, they applied the .NET brand to lots

> that all goes under a single unhelpful name (Copilot) This isn't even a new dumb move for Microsoft. In the early 2000s, they applied the .NET brand to lots of random things that were completely unrelated to the runtime/framework: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.NET_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.NET_strategy

jay_kyburz 2y ago
They are doing the same thing to Xbox right now. Really working hard to kill the brand.
- TheRealSteel 2y ago
  Yep. I've been an Xbox player since 2002. Huge Halo fan. Thousands of hours on 3 different generations of Xbox. I still have my Halo 3 special edition helmet. I keep up with gaming news and listen to multiple gaming podcasts every week. But even I can't reliably name the last two generations of Xbox without a pause. I always have to stop for a second and think it thru because the naming scheme is so abysmal.
  - jay_kyburz 2y ago
    It gets worse. Did you see this ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBSNQLsBKk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBSNQLsBKk
    - xboxcopilot 2y ago
      Looking at the market, I think we can all agree where Microsoft is heading: The XBOX COPILOT, the new handheld PC powered by AI!
      - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
        XboX ActiveX XP CoPilot 360-365.NET 2025 Pro Azure Edition
        tencentshill 2y ago
        Not to be confused with Entra (formerly Azure AD) Edition
    - vel0city 2y ago
      But that's my lived experience. I play Xbox games with friends who are playing on an Xbox console, but I'm playing on my Windows-based Legion Go or my Windows PC on a desk at home or even cloud rendered through a web browser on a Linux box. Xbox isn't just a single physical hardware device. Its a platform for playing games. I do agree though, the naming patterns for their consoles has been absolutely atrocious. I consider myself somewhat of a gamer but if you just gave me the list of consoles there's absolutely a non-zero chance I'd fail at picking the rankings of performance and age.
bandrami 2y ago
And ActiveX before that. It literally just meant self-activating COM objects but came to include a scripting host, OLE, CDO, and a multimedia framework.
burgerrito 2y ago
Ahhh!! So that's when they added .NET to the name Visual Basic .NET
- TonyTrapp 2y ago
  Well, Visual Basic .net is based on the .net framework, can't deny that. It's a very different language from the previous non-.net Visual Basic versions, so much that some people rather argue that "Visual Basic" is the problematic part of the name, not the ".net".
  - WorldMaker 2y ago
    Though also interesting to note that the development team at the time didn't feel like it was substantially a different language and the first VB.NET compiler was Version 7.

jay_kyburz 2y ago

They are doing the same thing to Xbox right now. Really working hard to kill the brand.

TheRealSteel 2y ago
Yep. I've been an Xbox player since 2002. Huge Halo fan. Thousands of hours on 3 different generations of Xbox. I still have my Halo 3 special edition helmet. I keep up with gaming news and listen to multiple gaming podcasts every week. But even I can't reliably name the last two generations of Xbox without a pause. I always have to stop for a second and think it thru because the naming scheme is so abysmal.
- jay_kyburz 2y ago
  It gets worse. Did you see this ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBSNQLsBKk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBSNQLsBKk
  - xboxcopilot 2y ago
    Looking at the market, I think we can all agree where Microsoft is heading: The XBOX COPILOT, the new handheld PC powered by AI!
    - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
      XboX ActiveX XP CoPilot 360-365.NET 2025 Pro Azure Edition
      - tencentshill 2y ago
        Not to be confused with Entra (formerly Azure AD) Edition
  - vel0city 2y ago
    But that's my lived experience. I play Xbox games with friends who are playing on an Xbox console, but I'm playing on my Windows-based Legion Go or my Windows PC on a desk at home or even cloud rendered through a web browser on a Linux box. Xbox isn't just a single physical hardware device. Its a platform for playing games. I do agree though, the naming patterns for their consoles has been absolutely atrocious. I consider myself somewhat of a gamer but if you just gave me the list of consoles there's absolutely a non-zero chance I'd fail at picking the rankings of performance and age.

bandrami 2y ago

And ActiveX before that. It literally just meant self-activating COM objects but came to include a scripting host, OLE, CDO, and a multimedia framework.

burgerrito 2y ago

Ahhh!! So that's when they added .NET to the name Visual Basic .NET

TonyTrapp 2y ago
Well, Visual Basic .net is based on the .net framework, can't deny that. It's a very different language from the previous non-.net Visual Basic versions, so much that some people rather argue that "Visual Basic" is the problematic part of the name, not the ".net".
- WorldMaker 2y ago
  Though also interesting to note that the development team at the time didn't feel like it was substantially a different language and the first VB.NET compiler was Version 7.