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That's not actually true. Wage theft is maybe third: https://truthnotoutrage.com/2023/12/05/retail-theft-dwarfs-wage-theft/ https://truthnotoutrage.com/2023/12/

That's not actually true. Wage theft is maybe third: https://truthnotoutrage.com/2023/12/05/retail-theft-dwarfs-wage-theft/ https://truthnotoutrage.com/2023/12/05/retail-theft-dwarfs-w... By all indicia, shoplifting is a much bigger problem. I know this myth and wage theft in general are really popular on social media. I think its lacking of representation in traditional media and prosecution is a mix of how much more clear-cut shoplifting is and just the victims report it more.

wat10000 2y ago
Thanks. I suppose the “more than all others combined” would be “except shoplifting,” which is a big “except.” I still maintain that wage theft is covered and enforced far less than it should be given the scale, precisely because of who the victims and perpetrators are. Your link lays it out nicely: “ While wage theft is a horrible crime against workers, retail theft also directly causes higher costs for consumers and arguably hurts workers even more than wage theft does.” Don’t worry about what we’re stealing from you, peons, the real problem is what you’re stealing from us.
- datavirtue 2y ago
  Wage theft always starts with labor law compliance. They didn't take the required break on their shift...better adjust the hours to be compliant. Now it's normalized and rationalized. Each employee has to make a stink to address the theft and are dismissed without a second thought. I used to work blue collar service industry and saw this happen in nearly every company where I worked. There is no union or personal agency. The individual worker is discarded at the first sign of legal friction. I worked a job where every person worked 63 hours a week standard at $7.50 an hour. We would have a lunch break where one person would go fetch lunch and bring it back each day. We would all meet in the break room and scarf down our food in a few minutes and get back on the floor. We literally clocked this on time cards. We might take up to fifteen minutes to eat but accounting would adjust it to 30 minutes every time. No consultation, warnings or notices of any kind. The timecard was gone at the end of each week so you had no record of your actual punches.
insane_dreamer 2y ago
The numbers of retail theft are from the National Retail Federation based on a survey, so by no means a reliable independent source.
dghlsakjg 2y ago
All of the sources and math in there seem extremely cherry picked to make the point that they want. They provide theft data from the FBI, that is then contradicted directly by a non-scientific survey performed by a lobbying group of their members, for political purposes. It also fails to differentiate between shoplifting and outright robbery (the difference in my mind being the use of deception vs the use of violence). They then choose the latter as a representation of fact with no caveats. I have no idea whether wage theft is more or less than shoplifting. Anecdotally, I am among numerous people who have had 5 figure sums stolen through wage theft, yet none of these people have shoplifted anywhere near that amount.
topaz0 2y ago
This source is garbage. There are only two articles on the site, I see typos in both of them so it has likely not been checked by anybody, and it uses sources like the NRF that have famously been discovered to play fast and loose with these numbers. Do not believe it.

wat10000 2y ago

Thanks. I suppose the “more than all others combined” would be “except shoplifting,” which is a big “except.” I still maintain that wage theft is covered and enforced far less than it should be given the scale, precisely because of who the victims and perpetrators are. Your link lays it out nicely: “ While wage theft is a horrible crime against workers, retail theft also directly causes higher costs for consumers and arguably hurts workers even more than wage theft does.” Don’t worry about what we’re stealing from you, peons, the real problem is what you’re stealing from us.

datavirtue 2y ago
Wage theft always starts with labor law compliance. They didn't take the required break on their shift...better adjust the hours to be compliant. Now it's normalized and rationalized. Each employee has to make a stink to address the theft and are dismissed without a second thought. I used to work blue collar service industry and saw this happen in nearly every company where I worked. There is no union or personal agency. The individual worker is discarded at the first sign of legal friction. I worked a job where every person worked 63 hours a week standard at $7.50 an hour. We would have a lunch break where one person would go fetch lunch and bring it back each day. We would all meet in the break room and scarf down our food in a few minutes and get back on the floor. We literally clocked this on time cards. We might take up to fifteen minutes to eat but accounting would adjust it to 30 minutes every time. No consultation, warnings or notices of any kind. The timecard was gone at the end of each week so you had no record of your actual punches.

insane_dreamer 2y ago

The numbers of retail theft are from the National Retail Federation based on a survey, so by no means a reliable independent source.

dghlsakjg 2y ago

All of the sources and math in there seem extremely cherry picked to make the point that they want. They provide theft data from the FBI, that is then contradicted directly by a non-scientific survey performed by a lobbying group of their members, for political purposes. It also fails to differentiate between shoplifting and outright robbery (the difference in my mind being the use of deception vs the use of violence). They then choose the latter as a representation of fact with no caveats. I have no idea whether wage theft is more or less than shoplifting. Anecdotally, I am among numerous people who have had 5 figure sums stolen through wage theft, yet none of these people have shoplifted anywhere near that amount.

topaz0 2y ago

This source is garbage. There are only two articles on the site, I see typos in both of them so it has likely not been checked by anybody, and it uses sources like the NRF that have famously been discovered to play fast and loose with these numbers. Do not believe it.