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My problem with this isn't the price increase. It's the blurring of what used to be a clearly understandable suite of products (e.g. Office) and services (e.g.
by munchler 2y ago
My problem with this isn't the price increase. It's the blurring of what used to be a clearly understandable suite of products (e.g. Office) and services (e.g. OneDrive) into a soup of weird AI and cloud stuff that all goes under a single unhelpful name (Copilot). My mental model of what I'm actually purchasing is broken in this new paradigm.
- jeremyjh 2y agoIt was all part of Microsoft 365 already; Copilot just adds the AI slop.
- munchler 2y agoYes, and I was already struggling to understand what Microsoft 365 actually meant. Adding AI and renaming it all to Copilot is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
- throwup238 2y agoMicrosoft 365 = Word documents without absolute positioning. I tried it once to make a lost cat poster and ended up just using Krita.
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- Archit3ch 2y agoCopilot is a button. ;)
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- Al-Khwarizmi 2y agoClearly understandable? Every time someone tells me on Teams about "the file they shared last week", I struggle to find out if I need to go to Onedrive, SharePoint, the Teams channel "files", the Teams channel "documents", etc. It's the most confusing piece of software I'm forced to use...
- rawgabbit 2y agoBut with Copilot you can now ask it to find the file for you. Isn’t AI amazing?
- bornfreddy 2y agoYou aren't wrong - however GP didn't use the terms "Teams" and "SharePoint". Those terms should never be used next to "understandable" unless properly negated or followed by "/s".
- duxup 2y agoEvery task I do in teams feels compromised as far as UX goes. I loathe using that app.
- y-c-o-m-b 2y agoTeams is the most loathsome piece of collaboration software I have ever used. When it comes to finding basic things, the UX is so far from intuitive that it makes you wonder if they're just trolling us with these awful designs. I remember being excited about a Slack competitor when it first came out, but the same issues it had back then still exist to this day. I wish they would just pull the plug on that piece of crap.
- mcny 2y agoI still don't understand why Ctrl plus shift plus C starts a call on teams when V pastes text unformatted and it is right next to it. At least let me reassign this shortcut...
- TheRealSteel 2y agoAnd the New Teams removed the ability to copy formatted chat logs with timestamps! I used that every single day
- controlledchaos 2y agoSo I'm NOT crazy for remembering that being a feature in old Teams! Thanks for confirming!
- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y agoIt’s funny seeing the Stockholm syndrome in action (or plain old forgetting) with OneDrive being touted as being part of the products, whereas it was the beginning of the mess that is now Office.
- giancarlostoro 2y agoIm still trying to figure out if Loop is part of normal Office or what. Its a better OneNote since they seeminly dont update OneNote at all.
- xyst 2y ago> My mental model of what I'm actually purchasing is broken in this new paradigm. It’s been broken for some time, mate. The era of subscription based models blurred it long ago.
- mihaaly 2y ago> what used to be a clearly understandable suite of products (e.g. Office) I only assume you refer to the pre 2000 state of Office. Confusion started way befor AI. And to me the OneDrive - was forced on my in the job - was never a properly usable product, allowing others think differently, but to me, its weird ways and failures (i.e. renaming files) are jus barriers to efficiency.
- munchler 2y agoThe move to a subscription model is where I started to lose the thread, and it’s gotten worse from there. I understand OneDrive as Microsoft’s version of Dropbox, but the more it’s integrated into Windows/Office, the more confusion it causes me.
- maximilianthe1 2y agoI was confused to discover (while deleting OneDrive), that it had changed my Desktop folder from User/Desktop to User/OneDrive/Desktop.
- wishfish 2y agoThat confused me too. Made me a little angry when I was looking for something in Documents. I went to Users\username\Documents and the data wasn't in that folder. Turns out Windows maintained two Documents folders. That one + OneDrive\Documents. I had uninstalled OneDrive the first time I used this laptop. But that wasn't enough. I had to reinstall OneDrive. Turn off folder backups. Unlink the PC from OneDrive. Then uninstall it again. That fixed the two Documents folders problem. OneDrive\Documents went away and the contents put back into Users\username\Documents. A fairly frustrating experience and wasted about an hour troubleshooting it.
- layer8 2y agoBefore Office 365 (later Microsoft 365), things were pretty clear.
- mint2 2y ago
- dartharva 2y agoPlease, never in its history has anything from Microsoft been "clearly understandable".
- dylan604 2y agoNotepad is quite simple
- rf15 2y agoIt even has usable features, like inserting the current date and time (my cat showed me that one!)
- thorin 2y agoFirst I've ever noticed this. I was little surprised it now has infinite tabs, did that come in with win11? I also noticed today that it has autocorrect, never noticed that before! I generally just use it as a clipboard for ascii text so it might be it's been like this forever.
- dylan604 2y ago> use it as a clipboard for ascii text this was one of my favorite uses as well, especially when copying something from Word. copying to Notepad before copying to a terminal has saved me from so much grief of debugging why something is acting other than expected
- evanelias 2y ago> that all goes under a single unhelpful name (Copilot) This isn't even a new dumb move for Microsoft. In the early 2000s, they applied the .NET brand to lots of random things that were completely unrelated to the runtime/framework: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.NET_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.NET_strategy
- jay_kyburz 2y agoThey are doing the same thing to Xbox right now. Really working hard to kill the brand.
- TheRealSteel 2y agoYep. I've been an Xbox player since 2002. Huge Halo fan. Thousands of hours on 3 different generations of Xbox. I still have my Halo 3 special edition helmet. I keep up with gaming news and listen to multiple gaming podcasts every week. But even I can't reliably name the last two generations of Xbox without a pause. I always have to stop for a second and think it thru because the naming scheme is so abysmal.
- jay_kyburz 2y agoIt gets worse. Did you see this ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBSNQLsBKk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBSNQLsBKk
- xboxcopilot 2y agoLooking at the market, I think we can all agree where Microsoft is heading: The XBOX COPILOT, the new handheld PC powered by AI!
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoXboX ActiveX XP CoPilot 360-365.NET 2025 Pro Azure Edition
- oh_hello 2y agoCopilot is turning into Microsoft's Watson.