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> why wasn't this the immediate next step that everyone took. It was actually tested by various labs. Just probably not at this scale. The first model that fe
by NitpickLawyer 2y ago
> why wasn't this the immediate next step that everyone took.
It was actually tested by various labs. Just probably not at this scale. The first model that featured RL prominently was DeepSeek-math-7b-RL, published last year in april. It was at the time the best model for math, and remained so until the qwen2.5-math series, that probably had way more data put into them.
There's a thing about RL that makes it tricky - the models tend to behave very stubbornly. That is, if they see something that resembles their training method (i.e. math problems), they'll solve the problem, and they'll be good at it. But if you want something close to that but not quite solving it (i.e. analyse this math problem and write hints, or here are 5 problems extract the common methods used for solving, etc.) you'll see that they perform very poorly, often times just going straight into "to solve this problem we...".
This is even mentioned in the R1 paper. Poor adherence to prompts, especially ssytem prompts. So that is still challenging.
- eden-u4 2y agoI think the issue with RL is that, in order for a model to perform well in a task, you have to make it stubborn. In the same way a student that thinks outside the scope of the task might not perform well in a graded exam, but that does not mean he/she is a bad reasoner. With RL and all training procedure you are creating a very focused and very fit to the task thinker, which might not be useful in all applications (consider an open problem, it might need an out of the box kind of thought).
- Demlmlm 2y ago[dead]