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What we end up with is this: https://marketoonist.com/2023/03/ai-written-ai-read.html https://marketoonist.com/2023/03/ai-written-ai-read.html

computerthings 2y ago
That would be the best case outcome for some, and even that is a horribly bad outcome. But the vast majority of people would get DDOSed, scammed, misled by politicians and political actors etc. The erosion of trust just by humans being intellectually dishonest and tribal is already bearing really dark fruit.. covering the globe in LLM slop on top of that will predictably make it much worse.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
  To be perfectly honest, that erosion of trust is already here.
  - computerthings 2y ago
    Not that erosion of trust, an erosion of trust. Big difference. But yes, an erosion of trust was already there, just like there was never perfect trust, and like even in the worst hellscape humans can physically maintain "there will always be some trust left, somewhere". All that is true, but also doesn't say much. Erosion of trust is also not something that just happens or "is here now", it's a description of a living process after all, between humans and groups of them, and you can reverse it with honesty. Erosion and regrowing of trust happens all the time, you might say. It takes time, kinda like reversing erosion and planting things takes longer than erosion and cutting them down, but so what.
ipdashc 2y ago
The bizarre part is the first panel in the comic! I'm not sure where people get the idea that they need to fluff up their emails or publications. It exists, sure, I'm just saying I've never felt the need to do it, nor have I ever (consciously, of course) valued a piece of text more because it was more fluffy and verbose. I do have a bad habit of writing over-verbosely myself (I'm doing it now!), but it's a flaw I indulge in on my own keyboard. I use LLMs plenty often, but I've never felt the need to ask one to fluff up and sloppify my writing for me. But I really want to know where the idea that fluffier text = better (or more professional?) comes from. We have plenty of examples of how actual high-up business people communicate, it's generally quick and concise, not paragraphs of prose. Even from marketing/salespeople, I generally value the efficient and concise emails way more than the ones full of paragraphs. Maybe this is an effect of the LLM era, but I feel like it was true before it, too.

computerthings 2y ago

That would be the best case outcome for some, and even that is a horribly bad outcome. But the vast majority of people would get DDOSed, scammed, misled by politicians and political actors etc. The erosion of trust just by humans being intellectually dishonest and tribal is already bearing really dark fruit.. covering the globe in LLM slop on top of that will predictably make it much worse.

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
To be perfectly honest, that erosion of trust is already here.
- computerthings 2y ago
  Not that erosion of trust, an erosion of trust. Big difference. But yes, an erosion of trust was already there, just like there was never perfect trust, and like even in the worst hellscape humans can physically maintain "there will always be some trust left, somewhere". All that is true, but also doesn't say much. Erosion of trust is also not something that just happens or "is here now", it's a description of a living process after all, between humans and groups of them, and you can reverse it with honesty. Erosion and regrowing of trust happens all the time, you might say. It takes time, kinda like reversing erosion and planting things takes longer than erosion and cutting them down, but so what.

ipdashc 2y ago

The bizarre part is the first panel in the comic! I'm not sure where people get the idea that they need to fluff up their emails or publications. It exists, sure, I'm just saying I've never felt the need to do it, nor have I ever (consciously, of course) valued a piece of text more because it was more fluffy and verbose. I do have a bad habit of writing over-verbosely myself (I'm doing it now!), but it's a flaw I indulge in on my own keyboard. I use LLMs plenty often, but I've never felt the need to ask one to fluff up and sloppify my writing for me. But I really want to know where the idea that fluffier text = better (or more professional?) comes from. We have plenty of examples of how actual high-up business people communicate, it's generally quick and concise, not paragraphs of prose. Even from marketing/salespeople, I generally value the efficient and concise emails way more than the ones full of paragraphs. Maybe this is an effect of the LLM era, but I feel like it was true before it, too.