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Reasoning is a human, social and embodied activity. TFA is about machines that output text reminiscent of the results of reasoning, but it's obviously fake sinc
by cess11 2y ago
Reasoning is a human, social and embodied activity. TFA is about machines that output text reminiscent of the results of reasoning, but it's obviously fake since the machine is neither human, social or embodied.
It's an attempt at fixing perceived problems with the query planner in an irreversibly compressed database.
- dyauspitr 2y agoThat’s not what reason is. There’s nothing inherently human about reason.
- ninetyninenine 2y agoThere's a sort of existential dread once man has created a machine that can perform on par with man himself. We don't want to face the truth so we move the goal posts and definitions. To reason is now a human behavior. We moved the goal posts so we don't have to face the truth that AI crossed a barrier with the creation of LLMs. It doesn't really matter, there's no turning back now.
- dyauspitr 2y agoI think the perspective is diametrically opposite to what you’re suggesting. It’s saying things that human do are not singular or sacrosanct. It’s a full acceptance that humanity will be surpassed.
- cess11 2y agoWe can create beings "on par with man himself". If you ask around where you live someone will likely be able to show you some small ones and might perhaps introduce you to the activity that brings them to life.
- ninetyninenine 2y agoRight, obviously man/child is on par with man himself. I’m obviously talking about something on par with man himself but isn’t a man or even human. It is something else.
- cess11 2y agoA non-human that can eat and gossip and make babies? What is this something?
- ninetyninenine 2y agoA non human that is more intelligent than you and can outthink you and understand you better than you. That’s where the trendline is pointing.
- smokel 2y agoI'm afraid it's not so clear. There are different perspectives on this. For one, apart from humans, some animals, and now LLMs, there are but few entities that are able to apply reasoning. It may well be that reason is something that exists universally, but empirically this sounds a bit unlikely.
- cess11 2y agoSome people used to believe that. They imagined reason to be divine, hence the prime status of Aristotle and reason in roman catholicism. But God is dead and has been for some time. You can try to change that if you want, but hitherto none of the prominent professional theologians have managed to wrestle with modern physics, feminist critique, the philosophies of suspicion or capitalism itself and reached a convincing win. Maybe you're the one, you should try and perhaps you'll at least become a free spirit.