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Personal attacks really make your argument stronger.

by dartos 2y ago

ninetyninenine 2y ago
I said your statement was weak I didn't say YOU were weak. Don't take it personally. It wasn't meant to be that way. If you take offense then I apologize. That being said, my argument was a statement about a general fact that is very true. The sentiment not too long ago was these things are just regurgitators with no similarity to human intelligence. I think it's clear now that all the previous claims were just completely baseless.
- Jensson 2y ago
  > That being said, my argument was a statement about a general fact that is very true. Is this a general fact that is very true? It sounds like you are judging rather than stating a fact. > It's really embarrassing the stubborn stance people were taking that LLMs weren't intelligent and wouldn't make any progress towards agi. I sometimes wonder how people live with themselves when they realize their wrong outlook on things is just as canned and biased as the hallucinations of LLMs themselves.
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    Yeah it is. Judgments can be true. Where is my judgement not true? It’s embarrassing to be so insistent on being right then finding out they’re so wrong. Also I made a broad and general statement. I never referred to you or anyone personally here. If you got offended it only meant the judgement correctly referred to you and that you fit the criteria. But doesn’t that also make what I said true?
    - Jensson 2y ago
      > If you got offended it only meant the judgement correctly referred to you If you say "I hate all these black criminals I see everywhere" people will get offended even if they aren't black criminals, so your reasoning here is flawed. And note how that is true even if there are a lot of black criminals around. Why do people get upset over that? Its because they feel you judge more people as criminals than actually are. And its the same with your statement there, the way you phrased it it feels like you judge way more people than actually fit your description. If you want people to not judge you that way then you have to change how you write.
      - ninetyninenine 2y ago
        Right but HN is above that. Or so I thought? I thought this was a forum that people intelligently debate concepts and are able to maturely separate that from emotions. Are you saying you’re not above that? That if someone points something out that’s true about you that you don’t like to hear you get offended and emotional? If that is the case then I apologize to you for saying something that is true about you and you don’t like to hear or face. Apologies, truly.

Personal attacks really make your argument stronger.

by dartos 2y ago

Personal attacks really make your argument stronger.

I said your statement was weak I didn't say YOU were weak. Don't take it personally. It wasn't meant to be that way. If you take offense then I apologize. That being said, my argument was a statement about a general fact that is very true. The sentiment not too long ago was these things are just regurgitators with no similarity to human intelligence. I think it's clear now that all the previous claims were just completely baseless.

Jensson 2y ago
> That being said, my argument was a statement about a general fact that is very true. Is this a general fact that is very true? It sounds like you are judging rather than stating a fact. > It's really embarrassing the stubborn stance people were taking that LLMs weren't intelligent and wouldn't make any progress towards agi. I sometimes wonder how people live with themselves when they realize their wrong outlook on things is just as canned and biased as the hallucinations of LLMs themselves.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  Yeah it is. Judgments can be true. Where is my judgement not true? It’s embarrassing to be so insistent on being right then finding out they’re so wrong. Also I made a broad and general statement. I never referred to you or anyone personally here. If you got offended it only meant the judgement correctly referred to you and that you fit the criteria. But doesn’t that also make what I said true?
  - Jensson 2y ago
    > If you got offended it only meant the judgement correctly referred to you If you say "I hate all these black criminals I see everywhere" people will get offended even if they aren't black criminals, so your reasoning here is flawed. And note how that is true even if there are a lot of black criminals around. Why do people get upset over that? Its because they feel you judge more people as criminals than actually are. And its the same with your statement there, the way you phrased it it feels like you judge way more people than actually fit your description. If you want people to not judge you that way then you have to change how you write.
    - ninetyninenine 2y ago
      Right but HN is above that. Or so I thought? I thought this was a forum that people intelligently debate concepts and are able to maturely separate that from emotions. Are you saying you’re not above that? That if someone points something out that’s true about you that you don’t like to hear you get offended and emotional? If that is the case then I apologize to you for saying something that is true about you and you don’t like to hear or face. Apologies, truly.