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It's also not a uniquely Chinese problem. You had American models generating ethnically diverse founding fathers when asked to draw them. China is doing Ameri

It's also not a uniquely Chinese problem. You had American models generating ethnically diverse founding fathers when asked to draw them. China is doing America better than we are. Do we really think 300 million people, in a nation that's rapidly becoming anti science and for lack of a better term "pridefully stupid" can keep up. When compared to over a billion people who are making significant progress every day. America has no issues backing countries that commit all manners of human rights abuse, as long as they let us park a few tanks to watch.

spamizbad 2y ago
> You had American models generating ethnically diverse founding fathers when asked to draw them. This was all done with a lazy prompt modifying kluge and was never baked into any of the models.
- gopher_space 2y ago
  Some of the images generated were so on the nose I assumed the machine was mocking people.
- HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
  It used to be baked into Google search, but they seem to have mostly fixed it sometime in the last year. It used to be that "black couple" would return pictures of black couples, but "white couple" would return largely pictures of mixed-race couples. Today "white couple" actually returns pictures of mostly white couples. This one was glaringly obvious, but who knows what other biases Google still have built into search and their LLMs. Apparently with DeepSeek there's a big difference between the behavior of the model itself if you can host and run it for yourself, and their free web version which seems to have censorship of things like Tiananmen and Pooh applied to the outputs.
vjerancrnjak 2y ago
Yes, I’ve asked Claude about three Ts and it refused initially.
dinkumthinkum 2y ago
Americans are becoming more anti-science? This is a bit biased don’t you think? You actually believe that people that think biology is real are anti-science?
- latexr 2y ago
  > people that think biology is real Do they? Until very recently half still rejected the theory of evolution. https://news.umich.edu/study-evolution-now-accepted-by-majority-of-americans/ https://news.umich.edu/study-evolution-now-accepted-by-major... Right after that, they began banning books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_States_(2021%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_Sta...
- 999900000999 2y ago
  This guy is running our health department. >“Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese,” Kennedy said, adding that “we don’t know whether it’s deliberately targeted that or not.” https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/15/politics/rfk-jr-covid-jewish-groups/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/15/politics/rfk-jr-covid-jewish-... He just says stupid things without any sources. This type of "scientist" is what we celebrate now. Dr OZ is here! https://apnews.com/article/dr-oz-mehmet-things-to-know-trump-be62594d66e07b9544e48ddf9febf7bf https://apnews.com/article/dr-oz-mehmet-things-to-know-trump...
- fdsjgfklsfd 2y ago
  > You actually believe that people that think biology is real are anti-science? What does that mean? The anti-science people don't believe in biology.
elicksaur 2y ago
Weird to see straight up Chinese propaganda on HN, but it’s a free platform in a free country I guess. Try posting an opposite dunking on China on a Chinese website.
- 999900000999 2y ago
  Weird to see we've put out non stop anti Chinese propaganda for the last 60 years instead of addressing our issues here.
  - elicksaur 2y ago
    There are ignorant people everywhere. There are brilliant people everywhere. Governments should be criticized when they do bad things. In America, you can talk openly about things you don’t like that the government has done. In China, you can’t. I know which one I’d rather live in.
    - 999900000999 2y ago
      That's not the point. Much of the world has issues with free speech. America has no issues with backing anti democratic countries as long as their interests align with our own. I guarantee you, if a pro west government emerged in China and they let us open a few military bases in Shanghai we'd have no issue with their other policy choices. I'm more worried about a lack of affordable health care. How to lose everything in 3 easy steps. 1. Get sick. 2. Miss enough work so you get fired. 3. Without your employer provided healthcare you have no way to get better, and you can enjoy sleeping on a park bench. Somehow the rest of the world has figured this out. We haven't. We can't have decent healthcare. No, our tax dollars need to go towards funding endless forever wars all over the world.

spamizbad 2y ago

> You had American models generating ethnically diverse founding fathers when asked to draw them. This was all done with a lazy prompt modifying kluge and was never baked into any of the models.

gopher_space 2y ago
Some of the images generated were so on the nose I assumed the machine was mocking people.
HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
It used to be baked into Google search, but they seem to have mostly fixed it sometime in the last year. It used to be that "black couple" would return pictures of black couples, but "white couple" would return largely pictures of mixed-race couples. Today "white couple" actually returns pictures of mostly white couples. This one was glaringly obvious, but who knows what other biases Google still have built into search and their LLMs. Apparently with DeepSeek there's a big difference between the behavior of the model itself if you can host and run it for yourself, and their free web version which seems to have censorship of things like Tiananmen and Pooh applied to the outputs.

vjerancrnjak 2y ago

Yes, I’ve asked Claude about three Ts and it refused initially.

dinkumthinkum 2y ago

Americans are becoming more anti-science? This is a bit biased don’t you think? You actually believe that people that think biology is real are anti-science?

latexr 2y ago
> people that think biology is real Do they? Until very recently half still rejected the theory of evolution. https://news.umich.edu/study-evolution-now-accepted-by-majority-of-americans/ https://news.umich.edu/study-evolution-now-accepted-by-major... Right after that, they began banning books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_States_(2021%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_Sta...
999900000999 2y ago
This guy is running our health department. >“Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese,” Kennedy said, adding that “we don’t know whether it’s deliberately targeted that or not.” https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/15/politics/rfk-jr-covid-jewish-groups/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/15/politics/rfk-jr-covid-jewish-... He just says stupid things without any sources. This type of "scientist" is what we celebrate now. Dr OZ is here! https://apnews.com/article/dr-oz-mehmet-things-to-know-trump-be62594d66e07b9544e48ddf9febf7bf https://apnews.com/article/dr-oz-mehmet-things-to-know-trump...
fdsjgfklsfd 2y ago
> You actually believe that people that think biology is real are anti-science? What does that mean? The anti-science people don't believe in biology.

elicksaur 2y ago

Weird to see straight up Chinese propaganda on HN, but it’s a free platform in a free country I guess. Try posting an opposite dunking on China on a Chinese website.

999900000999 2y ago
Weird to see we've put out non stop anti Chinese propaganda for the last 60 years instead of addressing our issues here.
- elicksaur 2y ago
  There are ignorant people everywhere. There are brilliant people everywhere. Governments should be criticized when they do bad things. In America, you can talk openly about things you don’t like that the government has done. In China, you can’t. I know which one I’d rather live in.
  - 999900000999 2y ago
    That's not the point. Much of the world has issues with free speech. America has no issues with backing anti democratic countries as long as their interests align with our own. I guarantee you, if a pro west government emerged in China and they let us open a few military bases in Shanghai we'd have no issue with their other policy choices. I'm more worried about a lack of affordable health care. How to lose everything in 3 easy steps. 1. Get sick. 2. Miss enough work so you get fired. 3. Without your employer provided healthcare you have no way to get better, and you can enjoy sleeping on a park bench. Somehow the rest of the world has figured this out. We haven't. We can't have decent healthcare. No, our tax dollars need to go towards funding endless forever wars all over the world.