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the 'luxury' apt building I live in has lots of Ukrainians and Russians (amongst the tech, influencers and onlyfans merchants, the only stateside people that ca

the 'luxury' apt building I live in has lots of Ukrainians and Russians (amongst the tech, influencers and onlyfans merchants, the only stateside people that can seemingly afford this location) the men have really harrowing stories of escaping their respective countries since they weren't allowed to leave, being draftable and its all very current and ongoing

reaperducer 2y ago
the 'luxury' apt building I live in has lots of Ukrainians and Russians… the men have really harrowing stories of escaping their respective countries since they weren't allowed to leave, being draftable My next-door neighbor is one of them. We were on nodding terms in the hallway for about six months after he moved in, then one day I saw him at the trash chute wearing a "Fuck Putin" shirt, and I asked him about it. He started to tell me his story, and then suddenly stopped, saying he didn't want to talk about it anymore. Based on the start of the story, I can understand him not wanting to finish it.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Were they Russian or Ukrainian? My casual understanding is that the draft is much more significant in Ukraine, although it's hard to find details of it and the penalties for dodgers.
StefanBatory 2y ago
Russians could leave way easier than Ukrainians, though.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  I can confirm friends coming in/out of Russia without much change. All IT workers are exempted from mobilization. People after 30 yo are safe from draft. Yonger are supposed to be draftable but I know someone who is 2x yo and went to visit Russia, fly in and out with no issues. The only difference is airplane tickets more expensive now. Meanwhile men in Ukraine can be mobilized on the street and good luck leaving the country
  - codezero 2y ago
    Ukraine was invaded and is defending its sovereignty against a nuclear power.
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      Yes. But "harrowing stories" by escaping russians are by my estimation as a russian are 88% bullshit.
  - StefanBatory 2y ago
    As unfair as that is, Russians can still rely on basically volunteers who an average choose to be there, Ukrainians do not. I've heard many horror stories from there. About men who are basically hiding in cellars so that the recruteers won't pull them off the streets. Fucked situation all around. I want to blame Russians as the only ones responsible for that, I guess. (As in they started this. Not saying Ukraine is crystal clear with many issues they have with the army, but still I can't blame them.) I'm Pole, so it's more personal for me. Knowing if I was born a bit more to the East, I'd be awaiting my death (and in agony).
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      as a Russian, 100% Moscow started this, no need to pick words carefully. "Ukraine invited attack by doing something Russia didn't like" is ridiculous. And as a Pole you of course know that Putin's "there are our people there we want to liberate" is the same logic Russia used to invade Poland before. Twice
      - StefanBatory 2y ago
        sorry, I was unclear - I wanted to refer to the fact that Ukrainian army might be a little heavyhanded on things like draft - for understandable reasons - not to the war itself that is only and purely on Russia and I cannot argue otherwise in good faith
  - JusticeJuice 2y ago
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  ok

reaperducer 2y ago

the 'luxury' apt building I live in has lots of Ukrainians and Russians… the men have really harrowing stories of escaping their respective countries since they weren't allowed to leave, being draftable My next-door neighbor is one of them. We were on nodding terms in the hallway for about six months after he moved in, then one day I saw him at the trash chute wearing a "Fuck Putin" shirt, and I asked him about it. He started to tell me his story, and then suddenly stopped, saying he didn't want to talk about it anymore. Based on the start of the story, I can understand him not wanting to finish it.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
Were they Russian or Ukrainian? My casual understanding is that the draft is much more significant in Ukraine, although it's hard to find details of it and the penalties for dodgers.

StefanBatory 2y ago

Russians could leave way easier than Ukrainians, though.

throwaway290 2y ago
I can confirm friends coming in/out of Russia without much change. All IT workers are exempted from mobilization. People after 30 yo are safe from draft. Yonger are supposed to be draftable but I know someone who is 2x yo and went to visit Russia, fly in and out with no issues. The only difference is airplane tickets more expensive now. Meanwhile men in Ukraine can be mobilized on the street and good luck leaving the country
- codezero 2y ago
  Ukraine was invaded and is defending its sovereignty against a nuclear power.
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    Yes. But "harrowing stories" by escaping russians are by my estimation as a russian are 88% bullshit.
- StefanBatory 2y ago
  As unfair as that is, Russians can still rely on basically volunteers who an average choose to be there, Ukrainians do not. I've heard many horror stories from there. About men who are basically hiding in cellars so that the recruteers won't pull them off the streets. Fucked situation all around. I want to blame Russians as the only ones responsible for that, I guess. (As in they started this. Not saying Ukraine is crystal clear with many issues they have with the army, but still I can't blame them.) I'm Pole, so it's more personal for me. Knowing if I was born a bit more to the East, I'd be awaiting my death (and in agony).
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    as a Russian, 100% Moscow started this, no need to pick words carefully. "Ukraine invited attack by doing something Russia didn't like" is ridiculous. And as a Pole you of course know that Putin's "there are our people there we want to liberate" is the same logic Russia used to invade Poland before. Twice
    - StefanBatory 2y ago
      sorry, I was unclear - I wanted to refer to the fact that Ukrainian army might be a little heavyhanded on things like draft - for understandable reasons - not to the war itself that is only and purely on Russia and I cannot argue otherwise in good faith
- JusticeJuice 2y ago
yieldcrv 2y ago
ok