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I'm of the opinion that articles relaying how the US government is sinking FAST into a dictatorship should not get flagged again and again. But what do I know,

by thiht 2y ago

I'm of the opinion that articles relaying how the US government is sinking FAST into a dictatorship should not get flagged again and again. But what do I know, maybe HN is just more pro-Trump than I imagine.

archagon 2y ago
What do you expect when the ideal Silicon Valley corporation is structured as a dictatorship? People have been conditioned by the industry to accept authoritarianism in their lives and work, and this is the end result.
- nine_k 2y ago
  It depends on whether you see Apple or Valve as an ideal.
idop 2y ago
It's Musk, not Trump. Musk can do no wrong in the eyes of 20 year old programmers who believe a tablet on wheels is going to make them rich one day.
scarecrowbob 2y ago
IME, Trump support on HN probably follows the general population: 50/50 among folks who care to vote, who knows among folks who have far less to lose. My feeling is that people here generally assume that the bad things will always happen to other folks, so that these articles appear as divisive and irrelevant. It's one of the great Gell-Mann amneisia-style ironies that folks here are generally very understanding of why online privacy doesn't work when folks adopt "privacy doesn't matter if you have nothing to hide"- these same folks immediately fail to understand that if the government can oppress trans/queer/bipoc/native/women/etc folks or put down labor, then the same group will exert its power over them. It doesn't help that these same folks probably don't even see state oppression as state oppression, as it just shows up as "what normal, Real humans do". I suppose position might not be incorrect for folks who are sufficiently privileged and very bought into the idea that they live at the historically necessary end of history. After all, their ancestors committed pretty horrible crimes for which they have never felt one bit of blow back. So they might simply be right that the boot will always be on other folks faces, forever. I doubt it (I don't think that the boot on their faces is a thing that they can see at such close proxemity), but they also think I'm an idiot and I'm not in an impartial place where I could judge which of us is right.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  > IME, Trump support on HN probably follows the general population: 50/50 among folks who care to vote, who knows among folks who have far less to lose. I'm guessing the average HN user is more educated than the average American, BS at least, and certainly more likely to have a post-grad degree than the average American. If you look at the election results by level of education, it's heavily skewed towards Trump for those with no college (63/35) and towards Harris for those with post-grad education (59/38).
pksebben 2y ago
It's also entirely possible that the flagging is being done by a small minority. I don't know precisely how flagging on HN works as I've never done it, but I can't imagine it's terribly difficult to game and there's a definite motive. I wouldn't be shocked to find out it was all one account, really.

by thiht 2y ago

archagon 2y ago

What do you expect when the ideal Silicon Valley corporation is structured as a dictatorship? People have been conditioned by the industry to accept authoritarianism in their lives and work, and this is the end result.

nine_k 2y ago
It depends on whether you see Apple or Valve as an ideal.

idop 2y ago

It's Musk, not Trump. Musk can do no wrong in the eyes of 20 year old programmers who believe a tablet on wheels is going to make them rich one day.

scarecrowbob 2y ago

IME, Trump support on HN probably follows the general population: 50/50 among folks who care to vote, who knows among folks who have far less to lose. My feeling is that people here generally assume that the bad things will always happen to other folks, so that these articles appear as divisive and irrelevant. It's one of the great Gell-Mann amneisia-style ironies that folks here are generally very understanding of why online privacy doesn't work when folks adopt "privacy doesn't matter if you have nothing to hide"- these same folks immediately fail to understand that if the government can oppress trans/queer/bipoc/native/women/etc folks or put down labor, then the same group will exert its power over them. It doesn't help that these same folks probably don't even see state oppression as state oppression, as it just shows up as "what normal, Real humans do". I suppose position might not be incorrect for folks who are sufficiently privileged and very bought into the idea that they live at the historically necessary end of history. After all, their ancestors committed pretty horrible crimes for which they have never felt one bit of blow back. So they might simply be right that the boot will always be on other folks faces, forever. I doubt it (I don't think that the boot on their faces is a thing that they can see at such close proxemity), but they also think I'm an idiot and I'm not in an impartial place where I could judge which of us is right.

insane_dreamer 2y ago
> IME, Trump support on HN probably follows the general population: 50/50 among folks who care to vote, who knows among folks who have far less to lose. I'm guessing the average HN user is more educated than the average American, BS at least, and certainly more likely to have a post-grad degree than the average American. If you look at the election results by level of education, it's heavily skewed towards Trump for those with no college (63/35) and towards Harris for those with post-grad education (59/38).

pksebben 2y ago

It's also entirely possible that the flagging is being done by a small minority. I don't know precisely how flagging on HN works as I've never done it, but I can't imagine it's terribly difficult to game and there's a definite motive. I wouldn't be shocked to find out it was all one account, really.