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It’s not just the economy that is vulnerable, but global geopolitics. It’s definitely worrying to see this type of technology in the hands of an authoritarian d

It’s not just the economy that is vulnerable, but global geopolitics. It’s definitely worrying to see this type of technology in the hands of an authoritarian dictatorship, especially considering the evidence of censorship. See this article for a collected set of prompts and responses from DeepSeek highlighting the propaganda: https://medium.com/the-generator/deepseek-hidden-china-political-bias-5d838bbf3ef9 https://medium.com/the-generator/deepseek-hidden-china-polit... But also the claimed cost is suspicious. I know people have seen DeepSeek claim in some responses that it is one of the OpenAI models, so I wonder if they somehow trained using the outputs of other models, if that’s even possible (is there such a technique?). Maybe that’s how the claimed cost is so low that it doesn’t make mathematical sense?

rightbyte 2y ago
I am certainly reliefed there is no super power lock in for this stuff. In theory I could run this one at home too without giving my data or money to Sam Altman.
buyucu 2y ago
have you tried asking chatgpt something even slightly controversial? chatgpt censors much more than deepseek does. also deepseek is open-weights. there is nothing preventing you from doing a finetune that removes the censorship. they did that with llama2 back in the day.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  > chatgpt censors much more than deepseek does This is an outrageous claim with no evidence, as if there was any equivalence between government enforced propaganda and anything else. Look at the system prompts for DeepSeek and it’s even more clear. Also: fine tuning is not relevant when what is deployed at scale brainwashes the masses through false and misleading responses.
  - buyucu 2y ago
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  - fragmede 2y ago
    refusal to answer "how do I make meth" shows ChatGPT is absolutely being similarly neutered, but I'm not aware of any numerical scores on what constitutes a numbered amount of censorship
    - LunaSea 2y ago
      I don't think the amount matters. The enforcers identity is much more important.
  - teitoklien 2y ago
    why do you lie, it is blatantly obvious chatgpt censors a ton of things and has a bit of left-tilt too while trying hard to stay neutral. If you think these tech companies are censoring all of this “just because” and instead of being completely torched by the media, and government who’ll use it as an excuse to take control of AI, then you’re sadly lying to yourself. Think about it for a moment, why did Trump (and im not a trump supporter) re-appeal Biden’s AI Executive Order 2023 ? , what was in it ? , it is literally a propaganda enforcement article, written in sweet sounding, well meaning words. It’s ok, no country is angel, even the american founding fathers would except americans to be critical of its government during moments, there’s no need for thinking that America = Good and China = Bad. We do have a ton of censorship in the “free world” too and it is government enforced, or else you wouldnt have seen so many platforms turn the tables on moderation, the moment trump got elected, the blessing for censorship directly comes from government.
aprilthird2021 2y ago
> It’s definitely worrying to see this type of technology in the hands of an authoritarian dictatorship What do you think they will do with the AI that worries you? They already had access to Llama, and they could pay for access to the closed source AIs. It really wouldn't be that hard to pay for and use what's commercially available as well, even if there is embargo or whatever, for digital goods and services that can easily be bypassed

rightbyte 2y ago

I am certainly reliefed there is no super power lock in for this stuff. In theory I could run this one at home too without giving my data or money to Sam Altman.

buyucu 2y ago

have you tried asking chatgpt something even slightly controversial? chatgpt censors much more than deepseek does. also deepseek is open-weights. there is nothing preventing you from doing a finetune that removes the censorship. they did that with llama2 back in the day.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
> chatgpt censors much more than deepseek does This is an outrageous claim with no evidence, as if there was any equivalence between government enforced propaganda and anything else. Look at the system prompts for DeepSeek and it’s even more clear. Also: fine tuning is not relevant when what is deployed at scale brainwashes the masses through false and misleading responses.
- buyucu 2y ago
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- fragmede 2y ago
  refusal to answer "how do I make meth" shows ChatGPT is absolutely being similarly neutered, but I'm not aware of any numerical scores on what constitutes a numbered amount of censorship
  - LunaSea 2y ago
    I don't think the amount matters. The enforcers identity is much more important.
- teitoklien 2y ago
  why do you lie, it is blatantly obvious chatgpt censors a ton of things and has a bit of left-tilt too while trying hard to stay neutral. If you think these tech companies are censoring all of this “just because” and instead of being completely torched by the media, and government who’ll use it as an excuse to take control of AI, then you’re sadly lying to yourself. Think about it for a moment, why did Trump (and im not a trump supporter) re-appeal Biden’s AI Executive Order 2023 ? , what was in it ? , it is literally a propaganda enforcement article, written in sweet sounding, well meaning words. It’s ok, no country is angel, even the american founding fathers would except americans to be critical of its government during moments, there’s no need for thinking that America = Good and China = Bad. We do have a ton of censorship in the “free world” too and it is government enforced, or else you wouldnt have seen so many platforms turn the tables on moderation, the moment trump got elected, the blessing for censorship directly comes from government.

aprilthird2021 2y ago

> It’s definitely worrying to see this type of technology in the hands of an authoritarian dictatorship What do you think they will do with the AI that worries you? They already had access to Llama, and they could pay for access to the closed source AIs. It really wouldn't be that hard to pay for and use what's commercially available as well, even if there is embargo or whatever, for digital goods and services that can easily be bypassed