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So the US Digital Service is no more? What happens to all its engineers and developers?

by colinbartlett 2y ago

zaroth 2y ago
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- gjsman-1000 2y ago
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  - ben_w 2y ago
    > Mandate of God Which god? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon
- Volundr 2y ago
  > The engineers and developers just got the green light for every good idea they can come up with. Where in the world is this idea coming from? What part of their new mandate makes you think engineers and developers suddenly have a blank check to do whatever they want?
- gota 2y ago
  > How is that not the coolest plot line? Potentially- when making mistakes or overstepping boundaries affect and in very real terms ruin actual peoples' lives
  - gjsman-1000 2y ago
    Nobody counts how many lives bureaucrats have also ruined. The IRS alone…
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      You mean by collecting taxes?
mmooss 2y ago
A partial answer from the OP: Who exactly is going to be part of DOGE is a particularly thorny issue, because there are technically two DOGEs. One is the permanent organization, the revamped USDS—now the US DOGE Service. The other is a temporary organization, with a termination date of July 4, 2026. Creating this organization means the temporary DOGE can operate under a special set of rules. It can sequester employees from other parts of the government and can accept people who want to work for the government as volunteers. Temporary organizations can also hire what are known as special government employees—experts in a given field who can bypass the rigors of the regular federal hiring processes. They’re also not subject to the same transparency requirements as other government employees.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  > They’re also not subject to the same transparency requirements as other government employees. Before anyone blames the current president without context, remember that the TSA is one of multiple agencies also operating under these provisions by having a permanent pseudo-temporary organization status. This is also why the TSA gets away with turnover and hiring standards that would be forbidden in other branches.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > remember that the TSA is one of multiple agencies also operating under these provisions by having a permanent pseudo-temporary organization status Totally incorrect. The TSA was created by an act of Congress, ATSA [1]. DOGE is legally equivalent to the Federalist Society or Greenpeace. > why the TSA gets away with turnover and hiring standards that would be forbidden in other branches Again, no. You're referring to the FLSA [2]. TSA is specifically exempted from FLSA [3], as are tonnes of other agency roles. [1] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ71/pdf/PLAW-107publ71.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ71/pdf/PLAW-... [2] https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/claim-decisions/fair-labor-standards-act/decisions/0019f01r.pdf https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/claim-de... [3] https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/foia-readingroom/1100.30-11_dual_federal_employment.pdf https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/foia-readingroom/110...
scrapcode 2y ago
Hopefully they have better things to move on to.
- rvnx 2y ago
  They will mine crypto on the GPUs at "AI" companies while getting paid 800k/USD total comp (all of that at the expense of the investors). Or on the future 500B USD national GPU cluster (at the expense of the public). -> This is entirely fictional, right ?
  - scrapcode 2y ago
    Any chances of finding a junior dev spot for $100+? Heh (I'm screwed)
    - deleted 2y ago
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hipadev23 2y ago
Keep their jobs if they kiss the ring
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> What happens to all its engineers and developers? The clever ones will leave. The naïve ones will become legal fodder for the rest of their careers. The lucky ones will make an impression on a billionaire and become rich from the proximity. On the whole, the country may benefit from having young, talented and naïve engineers engaging in tasks at the boundaries of the legally permissable. It works for VC, after all. (The difference being you don't get personally bankrupted with legal bills in startups if you're wrong.)
- janice1999 2y ago
  > The lucky ones will make an impression on a billionaire and become rich from the proximity. You think any of the H1B engineers at Twitter Elon did a pizza party photo op with are going to become millionaires?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > You think any of the H1B engineers at Twitter Elon did a pizza party photo op with are going to become millionaires? I'm not calling anyone out. Just that a consistently-winning strategy in any economic or political system is finding the biggest pot of money and sitting next to it.
grey-area 2y ago
Same thing as what happened to engineers at X. Asked to pledge loyalty and demonstrate their usefulness to Musk (and Trump), otherwise be fired.

So the US Digital Service is no more? What happens to all its engineers and developers?

zaroth 2y ago

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gjsman-1000 2y ago
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- ben_w 2y ago
  > Mandate of God Which god? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon
Volundr 2y ago
> The engineers and developers just got the green light for every good idea they can come up with. Where in the world is this idea coming from? What part of their new mandate makes you think engineers and developers suddenly have a blank check to do whatever they want?
gota 2y ago
> How is that not the coolest plot line? Potentially- when making mistakes or overstepping boundaries affect and in very real terms ruin actual peoples' lives
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  Nobody counts how many lives bureaucrats have also ruined. The IRS alone…
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    You mean by collecting taxes?

mmooss 2y ago

A partial answer from the OP: Who exactly is going to be part of DOGE is a particularly thorny issue, because there are technically two DOGEs. One is the permanent organization, the revamped USDS—now the US DOGE Service. The other is a temporary organization, with a termination date of July 4, 2026. Creating this organization means the temporary DOGE can operate under a special set of rules. It can sequester employees from other parts of the government and can accept people who want to work for the government as volunteers. Temporary organizations can also hire what are known as special government employees—experts in a given field who can bypass the rigors of the regular federal hiring processes. They’re also not subject to the same transparency requirements as other government employees.

gjsman-1000 2y ago
> They’re also not subject to the same transparency requirements as other government employees. Before anyone blames the current president without context, remember that the TSA is one of multiple agencies also operating under these provisions by having a permanent pseudo-temporary organization status. This is also why the TSA gets away with turnover and hiring standards that would be forbidden in other branches.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > remember that the TSA is one of multiple agencies also operating under these provisions by having a permanent pseudo-temporary organization status Totally incorrect. The TSA was created by an act of Congress, ATSA [1]. DOGE is legally equivalent to the Federalist Society or Greenpeace. > why the TSA gets away with turnover and hiring standards that would be forbidden in other branches Again, no. You're referring to the FLSA [2]. TSA is specifically exempted from FLSA [3], as are tonnes of other agency roles. [1] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ71/pdf/PLAW-107publ71.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ71/pdf/PLAW-... [2] https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/claim-decisions/fair-labor-standards-act/decisions/0019f01r.pdf https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/claim-de... [3] https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/foia-readingroom/1100.30-11_dual_federal_employment.pdf https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/foia-readingroom/110...

scrapcode 2y ago

Hopefully they have better things to move on to.

rvnx 2y ago
They will mine crypto on the GPUs at "AI" companies while getting paid 800k/USD total comp (all of that at the expense of the investors). Or on the future 500B USD national GPU cluster (at the expense of the public). -> This is entirely fictional, right ?
- scrapcode 2y ago
  Any chances of finding a junior dev spot for $100+? Heh (I'm screwed)
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]

hipadev23 2y ago

Keep their jobs if they kiss the ring

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> What happens to all its engineers and developers? The clever ones will leave. The naïve ones will become legal fodder for the rest of their careers. The lucky ones will make an impression on a billionaire and become rich from the proximity. On the whole, the country may benefit from having young, talented and naïve engineers engaging in tasks at the boundaries of the legally permissable. It works for VC, after all. (The difference being you don't get personally bankrupted with legal bills in startups if you're wrong.)

janice1999 2y ago
> The lucky ones will make an impression on a billionaire and become rich from the proximity. You think any of the H1B engineers at Twitter Elon did a pizza party photo op with are going to become millionaires?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > You think any of the H1B engineers at Twitter Elon did a pizza party photo op with are going to become millionaires? I'm not calling anyone out. Just that a consistently-winning strategy in any economic or political system is finding the biggest pot of money and sitting next to it.

grey-area 2y ago

Same thing as what happened to engineers at X. Asked to pledge loyalty and demonstrate their usefulness to Musk (and Trump), otherwise be fired.