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Designed to weed out anyone who might not follow orders. Was this a cult?

• James_K 2y ago
  Close, it's what you might call a "job" where someone pays you to do what they say.
  • wiseowise 2y ago
    If by job you mean acting as a circus bear.
    • James_K 2y ago
      This reply seems very witty until you realise that there are actual people whose job it is to act in a circus. In the real world, a job is mainly being told to do things that you don't really want to do, but deciding to do them anyway because you're getting paid.
      • cgriswald 2y ago
        I wouldn’t accept an employee or a boss who thought this was a reasonable definition of a job.
        • James_K 2y ago
          Why? It is a simple fact that people only go to work because they get paid. You can verify this for yourself by seeing how many people continue to work for a company after it has stopped paying them.
          • cgriswald 2y ago
            Because it’s absurdly reductionist and in my experience suggests either a poor work ethic or a lack of empathy or both. Additionally your argument isn’t logical. An unwillingness to do something for free isn’t equivalent not wanting to do it. You’ve moved the goalposts.
            • James_K 2y ago
              Well okay, let's walk the goalposts back. Suppose there was some radical UBI scheme in place and now you get paid the same amount for working as you would for not working. There is no financial incentive to do any piece of work, but also no financial punishment for not working. Do you think most people would still go to their jobs? I think no. Most people are only motivated to work by the financial reward they get from working, not some fundamental desire to sit in an office for hours of the day. Quite frankly, I see people with your attitude as the real bad ones to work for. Expecting people to have a work ethic beyond what you pay them for, or to pretend to be passionate about whatever you're selling, these are the real red flags you should look out for when applying to a job. Not someone expecting you to do what you're told. I am exchanging my labour for money, and I think both parties understanding that is the bedrock of good professional relationship.
              • cgriswald 2y ago
                You haven't moved the goalposts back. You just used more words to suggest that people won't be willing to do work for free. That doesn't speak to whether they want to do the work or not. People can want to have a job but also want to reap some external reward from that job. But I know, you've reduced it to such a degree that you can't think clearly about it any other way. So, to humor you: I know a woman who won the lottery at a young age, but kept her job as a waitress for decades because she wanted to be a waitress. I know retirees who have started new careers. I know retirees who have gone back to doing the same work they did before. None of these people needed money. They all did jobs. Nevermind volunteering, which, while you will probably argue isn't a job, is evidence that people will work for reasons other than financial incentives. Please note, these people aren't outliers, they're just people who even you have to believe are working for reasons other than money. Regardless, the fundamental problem with your argument besides trying to prop up a poor definition of 'job' is that you're conflating needing any job with needing a particular job. Lots of people are doing the job they want to be doing. Lots of people have other choices. > Quite frankly, I see people with your attitude as the real bad ones to work for. Expecting people to have a work ethic beyond what you pay them for, or to pretend to be passionate about whatever you're selling, these are the real red flags you should look out for when applying to a job. Not someone expecting you to do what you're told. I am exchanging my labour for money, and I think both parties understanding that is the bedrock of good professional relationship. We definitely do not have the same definition of 'work ethic' if this is what you took from my words.
          • JoeMattiello 2y ago
            Redditor energy.
      • sdenton4 2y ago
        Huh. The folks I know who work in circus are extremely creative, driven people, who often scrape by for years between gigs that pay decently. They're definitely not really in it for the money, though they do need to eat, and definitely aren't just taking orders. The ring leader is just another role... And as for the bear, it doesn't get paid at all...