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More and more it’s hard to find people on HN that don’t tightly cling to party lines. The numbers I’ve seen some of these departments get paid is mind boggling

More and more it’s hard to find people on HN that don’t tightly cling to party lines. The numbers I’ve seen some of these departments get paid is mind boggling. It’s possible to both value these principles and yet be in disgust at what a grift so much of it has become.

unsnap_biceps 2y ago
I was raised Republican in a very conservative area. I attended church and went to a christian school from K-12. There's a lot of traditional conservative values that I agree with. The Republican Party currently embodies none of those principals. Frankly, I'd be voting D just out of the lesser of two evils, and it's not even a long shot. I yearn for a proper Conservative Party to bring some sanity back to the world. I wish that the Christian right would actually follow the teaching of Jesus that they claim. I don't agree with a lot of what the Democrats do, but they generally do what they do out of a place of good and Republicans are working out of a place of hate. And that matters. Tearing it all down and hurting people just isn't something I feel that I can support, no matter what other things they do that I might agree with or might help me.
- aliasxneo 2y ago
  Thanks for sharing your experience. It's quite a bit different from my own experience, though. Only a few short months ago, I was under constant attack from various public members of the Democratic party for being a white male with center-right views. The vitriol was quite unhinged, really. From my perspective, both sides engage in it just as much as the other, and it's getting worse because people are choosing to respond in kind rather than take the higher ground. I voted for neither party in the last cycle, and it's likely to stay that way for me unless things dramatically change.
  - totallynothoney 2y ago
    > I was under constant attack from various public members of the Democratic party for being a white male with center-right views. Could you give an actual example? This isn't some kind of gotcha, I'm genuinely curious. As a non-American the Democratic Party seem pathologically obsessed with reaching across the aisle to the moderate right winger.
    - aliasxneo 2y ago
      Well, I suppose we can start with the fact that anyone voting on the opposite ticket was routinely accused of ending democracy. Just look up various reactions to Scott Jennings on CNN for an example. Honestly, though, I'm more curious about the examples that led you to believe they reach across the aisle. Neither party does, both are firmly encamped, and both routinely resort to verbal attacks based on party affiliation.
      - pokerface_86 2y ago
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  - unsnap_biceps 2y ago
    I hear you. The extremes on both sides are awful. I try to ignore them when I make a decision on who to vote for. I try to look at the actual impact the policies and agendas have. That said, ignoring the loudest voices in the room, especially when they're pointed at you is very hard to do.

unsnap_biceps 2y ago

I was raised Republican in a very conservative area. I attended church and went to a christian school from K-12. There's a lot of traditional conservative values that I agree with. The Republican Party currently embodies none of those principals. Frankly, I'd be voting D just out of the lesser of two evils, and it's not even a long shot. I yearn for a proper Conservative Party to bring some sanity back to the world. I wish that the Christian right would actually follow the teaching of Jesus that they claim. I don't agree with a lot of what the Democrats do, but they generally do what they do out of a place of good and Republicans are working out of a place of hate. And that matters. Tearing it all down and hurting people just isn't something I feel that I can support, no matter what other things they do that I might agree with or might help me.

aliasxneo 2y ago
Thanks for sharing your experience. It's quite a bit different from my own experience, though. Only a few short months ago, I was under constant attack from various public members of the Democratic party for being a white male with center-right views. The vitriol was quite unhinged, really. From my perspective, both sides engage in it just as much as the other, and it's getting worse because people are choosing to respond in kind rather than take the higher ground. I voted for neither party in the last cycle, and it's likely to stay that way for me unless things dramatically change.
- totallynothoney 2y ago
  > I was under constant attack from various public members of the Democratic party for being a white male with center-right views. Could you give an actual example? This isn't some kind of gotcha, I'm genuinely curious. As a non-American the Democratic Party seem pathologically obsessed with reaching across the aisle to the moderate right winger.
  - aliasxneo 2y ago
    Well, I suppose we can start with the fact that anyone voting on the opposite ticket was routinely accused of ending democracy. Just look up various reactions to Scott Jennings on CNN for an example. Honestly, though, I'm more curious about the examples that led you to believe they reach across the aisle. Neither party does, both are firmly encamped, and both routinely resort to verbal attacks based on party affiliation.
    - pokerface_86 2y ago
      [flagged]
- unsnap_biceps 2y ago
  I hear you. The extremes on both sides are awful. I try to ignore them when I make a decision on who to vote for. I try to look at the actual impact the policies and agendas have. That said, ignoring the loudest voices in the room, especially when they're pointed at you is very hard to do.