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I think I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. Maybe I underestimate how good the police are at prevention of this crime.

lukan 2y ago
Or you overestimate how many competent psychos are out there scheming to do anything to make money. Doing a kidnapping and getting a ransom is probably not too hard, but being on the run forever afterwards might not be worth it to most. People with money can hire their own bounty hunters/or plain criminals to go after them afterwards. Or just announce a bounty high enough (in dark channels, your high profile security company has access to) so people will do the hunt for free. Most people like to boast about their action - so competent here means keeping quiet about it forever and coming up with a good excuse for why they have that money.
- petesergeant 2y ago
  But there’s already a decent chunk of people committing organized violent crime. Cartels set up their own shadow cellphone networks and run submarines. Maybe there are just easier crimes that pay better with a lower risk profile
  - petre 2y ago
    Like what, Russian and NK ransomware? Of course the perpetrators need to we physically in those countries, which is unattractive. Everywhere else the'll get caught.
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  - lukan 2y ago
    "Cartels set up their own shadow cellphone networks and run submarines. Maybe there are just easier crimes that pay better with a lower risk profile" Indeed, selling drugs is apparently easier. And I can imagine the cartels don't want to risk their daily buisness, by kidnapping the wrong person from the west, as that would mean more heat on their buisness. But they surely do kidnappings and worse. Mostly in their fight for local control as far as I know.
- tim333 2y ago
  Really for anyone competent with crypto and unethical there are so many legal or semi ways to get money. Pump and dumps, rug pulls, launch your own meme coin etc.
  - lukan 2y ago
    It is so weird. Hey you can be a legal criminal, why risk real prison for doing old school crimes?
rnotaro 2y ago
I believe that's happening more often than before but it's probably not always documented. Last summer, a 25 year old crypto influencer got kidnapped and his body was found in my neighborhood a few months ago. [1] [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/kevin-mirshahi-identified-montreal-1.7381365 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/kevin-mirshahi-ident...
- dmix 2y ago
  Interesting, it was a woman was arrested for the murder and kidnapping and was apparently connected to a street gang. Surprisingly she still got bail: https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2024-12-10/meurtre-d-un-influenceur-de-crypto/accusee-de-meurtre-au-premier-degre-joanie-lepage-est-liberee-sous-conditions.php https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2...
moralestapia 2y ago
A lot of these stories don't surface for obvious reasons, though. In Toronto it happens quite often, not everyday, but way more often than you'd believe.

lukan 2y ago

Or you overestimate how many competent psychos are out there scheming to do anything to make money. Doing a kidnapping and getting a ransom is probably not too hard, but being on the run forever afterwards might not be worth it to most. People with money can hire their own bounty hunters/or plain criminals to go after them afterwards. Or just announce a bounty high enough (in dark channels, your high profile security company has access to) so people will do the hunt for free. Most people like to boast about their action - so competent here means keeping quiet about it forever and coming up with a good excuse for why they have that money.

petesergeant 2y ago
But there’s already a decent chunk of people committing organized violent crime. Cartels set up their own shadow cellphone networks and run submarines. Maybe there are just easier crimes that pay better with a lower risk profile
- petre 2y ago
  Like what, Russian and NK ransomware? Of course the perpetrators need to we physically in those countries, which is unattractive. Everywhere else the'll get caught.
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- lukan 2y ago
  "Cartels set up their own shadow cellphone networks and run submarines. Maybe there are just easier crimes that pay better with a lower risk profile" Indeed, selling drugs is apparently easier. And I can imagine the cartels don't want to risk their daily buisness, by kidnapping the wrong person from the west, as that would mean more heat on their buisness. But they surely do kidnappings and worse. Mostly in their fight for local control as far as I know.
tim333 2y ago
Really for anyone competent with crypto and unethical there are so many legal or semi ways to get money. Pump and dumps, rug pulls, launch your own meme coin etc.
- lukan 2y ago
  It is so weird. Hey you can be a legal criminal, why risk real prison for doing old school crimes?

rnotaro 2y ago

I believe that's happening more often than before but it's probably not always documented. Last summer, a 25 year old crypto influencer got kidnapped and his body was found in my neighborhood a few months ago. [1] [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/kevin-mirshahi-identified-montreal-1.7381365 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/kevin-mirshahi-ident...

dmix 2y ago
Interesting, it was a woman was arrested for the murder and kidnapping and was apparently connected to a street gang. Surprisingly she still got bail: https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2024-12-10/meurtre-d-un-influenceur-de-crypto/accusee-de-meurtre-au-premier-degre-joanie-lepage-est-liberee-sous-conditions.php https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2...

moralestapia 2y ago

A lot of these stories don't surface for obvious reasons, though. In Toronto it happens quite often, not everyday, but way more often than you'd believe.