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How does the government of France decide whether your kidnapping is worth sending military tactical teams to rescue you?

lxgr 2y ago
Do you have reason to suspect that it's less than all?
- JKCalhoun 2y ago
  That could be true. Normies don't often get kidnapped.
shepherdjerred 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life#European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life#European_Union
- lxgr 2y ago
  The "statistical value of a life" doesn't mean what you think it does. It's essentially a measurement of how much, on average, people value their own live at the margin (i.e. how much are they willing to pay for a slightly safer car, how much more does a slightly more dangerous job have to pay for people to still apply etc.) It's not a political "cap on how much to spend on saving somebody's life". There have of course been rescue operations more expensive than that per person, and some medical expenditures exceed that cap as well.
  - ZeroTalent 2y ago
    It is used in public healthcare, for example, with biologic drugs. According to my rudimentary calculations, Spain has an 80-100B euro public healthcare budget. If every person who would benefit from a biological drug treatment received it, that would add close to 40% to that budget. And in the US, these drugs are much more expensive.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      What drug treatment are you referring to, in particular? In many countries, including those with both socialized and private healthcare, insurance companies routinely pay for treatments costing much more than the statistical value of life. Also, these incredibly expensive single-dose cures usually are that expensive because they don't benefit from any economies of scale and/or haven't recouped their investment yet. In competent healthcare systems, the price is driven down substantially sooner rather than later for almost all drugs through negotiations.
      - ZeroTalent 2y ago
        Adalimumab and others. Yes, they do pay more, but not for everyone. Not for seniors in public healthcare.
mr_toad 2y ago
A decisive response to a single incident can be an effective deterrent to future incidents.
Thaxll 2y ago
They will send them everytime there a situation that the regular police can't handle, if you take your neighbour hostage for exemple, does not mater if you're armed or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIGN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIGN
koolba 2y ago
Customer retention is usually a pretty simply formula based on past revenues.
frnchinpln 2y ago
About half of the police force is military in the first place (Gendarmerie). It's typically split between the purely civilian National Police (urban areas) and Gendamerie (everywhere else). In any case, if there is any sort of kidnapping or hostage taking they send the tactical units. To foreigners, GIGN is perhaps best known for being one of the counter-terrorist teams in the Counter Strike game. Here's an example of an intervention, a video where they shoot in a guy's leg (long distance, with a submachine gun...), to prevent him from shooting himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bx5PRqYAig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bx5PRqYAig
- hdjjhhvvhga 2y ago
  Excellent work.
Timshel 2y ago
Probably as much as possible. Those are expensive teams to maintain and deploiment is probably not much compared to it. If you are cynical you could see it as just training for an important case.
rurban 2y ago
This is not the US. They don't check how much bribes you paid your local police forces. They are just doing their jobs
- aag 2y ago
  Where did you get the idea that the US is like that?
  - rurban 2y ago
    I lived there
    - aag 2y ago
      I've lived in the US all my life, and I've never heard anything remotely like someone needing to bribe the police to help in a situation like that. In fact, I have a friend who is a retired police officer and who commanded the SWAT team in a major US city. His team was dispatched more often than not to help people at the very bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.
      - rurban 2y ago
        I lived in Houston, Texas, River Oaks, and it was very common there. This is the quarter of the biggest evil: Enron, Bush, Cheney, Ted Cruz, ...

lxgr 2y ago

Do you have reason to suspect that it's less than all?

JKCalhoun 2y ago
That could be true. Normies don't often get kidnapped.

shepherdjerred 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life#European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life#European_Union

lxgr 2y ago
The "statistical value of a life" doesn't mean what you think it does. It's essentially a measurement of how much, on average, people value their own live at the margin (i.e. how much are they willing to pay for a slightly safer car, how much more does a slightly more dangerous job have to pay for people to still apply etc.) It's not a political "cap on how much to spend on saving somebody's life". There have of course been rescue operations more expensive than that per person, and some medical expenditures exceed that cap as well.
- ZeroTalent 2y ago
  It is used in public healthcare, for example, with biologic drugs. According to my rudimentary calculations, Spain has an 80-100B euro public healthcare budget. If every person who would benefit from a biological drug treatment received it, that would add close to 40% to that budget. And in the US, these drugs are much more expensive.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    What drug treatment are you referring to, in particular? In many countries, including those with both socialized and private healthcare, insurance companies routinely pay for treatments costing much more than the statistical value of life. Also, these incredibly expensive single-dose cures usually are that expensive because they don't benefit from any economies of scale and/or haven't recouped their investment yet. In competent healthcare systems, the price is driven down substantially sooner rather than later for almost all drugs through negotiations.
    - ZeroTalent 2y ago
      Adalimumab and others. Yes, they do pay more, but not for everyone. Not for seniors in public healthcare.

mr_toad 2y ago

A decisive response to a single incident can be an effective deterrent to future incidents.

Thaxll 2y ago

They will send them everytime there a situation that the regular police can't handle, if you take your neighbour hostage for exemple, does not mater if you're armed or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIGN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIGN

koolba 2y ago

Customer retention is usually a pretty simply formula based on past revenues.

frnchinpln 2y ago

About half of the police force is military in the first place (Gendarmerie). It's typically split between the purely civilian National Police (urban areas) and Gendamerie (everywhere else). In any case, if there is any sort of kidnapping or hostage taking they send the tactical units. To foreigners, GIGN is perhaps best known for being one of the counter-terrorist teams in the Counter Strike game. Here's an example of an intervention, a video where they shoot in a guy's leg (long distance, with a submachine gun...), to prevent him from shooting himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bx5PRqYAig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bx5PRqYAig

hdjjhhvvhga 2y ago
Excellent work.

Timshel 2y ago

Probably as much as possible. Those are expensive teams to maintain and deploiment is probably not much compared to it. If you are cynical you could see it as just training for an important case.

rurban 2y ago

This is not the US. They don't check how much bribes you paid your local police forces. They are just doing their jobs

aag 2y ago
Where did you get the idea that the US is like that?
- rurban 2y ago
  I lived there
  - aag 2y ago
    I've lived in the US all my life, and I've never heard anything remotely like someone needing to bribe the police to help in a situation like that. In fact, I have a friend who is a retired police officer and who commanded the SWAT team in a major US city. His team was dispatched more often than not to help people at the very bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.
    - rurban 2y ago
      I lived in Houston, Texas, River Oaks, and it was very common there. This is the quarter of the biggest evil: Enron, Bush, Cheney, Ted Cruz, ...