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>...only because they didn't want the phone anymore. I understand that choice, but it's a choice they made. No, they had no choice, as I made clear many times

>...only because they didn't want the phone anymore. I understand that choice, but it's a choice they made. No, they had no choice, as I made clear many times now. People posting on Reddit just a couple of months ago prove that. A lawsuit going on in 2025 also proves that. Stop lying to me man. >What I'm saying isn't based on some blog post or something someone told me as "trust me bro", it's based on lots of various data points I've seen over the years, including off-the-record conversations with colleges from various departments (including some disgruntled ones, for good reasons), that were all consistent with each other. This isn't any "Trust me bro" shit. What you have said is exactly that. I think you are deluded at best about what they actually accomplished. >Of course you're still free not to trust me. But that's not my problem. I just want to get the facts straight in case others read this, as ultimately I'm fairly proud of what we managed to achieve with this device. Of course I don't trust you or anyone connected to that project lol. The FACTS are that I along with many other people were abused by this company, and I'm never going to stop telling people about it or allow people such as myself to be gaslit about what happened. I hope that Purism turns its act around and becomes a reputable company. I wish we had options for Linux phones But I have zero confidence that this has happened (as you claim it has), and I'm not doing business with them again unless they become a much better company and it's obvious and well-documented. By the way, nobody is going to see this argument because the post is flagged. I'm done with this discussion. Save your gaslighting for someone who has no experience to disprove you.

seba_dos1 2y ago
> No, they had no choice, as I made clear many times now. Everything you pointed to only confirms what I'm saying. Anyone who wanted the phone could get it. Some people got tired of waiting and decided they don't want one anymore and want a refund instead - and they can't get one, despite of being promised otherwise many years ago. Those people end up with no phone and no refund unless they change their mind again and confirm their shipping address. That's still shitty, but distinct from "taking the money and running away". From what I've been told refunds were still being processed, although very slowly. That I have no way of verifying though (but no reason not to believe it either - although I also wouldn't be surprised if it was about people taking legal action...).
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  As I said, the default is that consumers are entitled to refunds regardless of whether they were promised or not. The fact that anyone has to take it to court in 2025 tells me this is not a reputable company. Furthermore I don't have any reputable way to know if the phones are actually shipping on time in 2025. I think that anyone filing a lawsuit would probably take the phone instead of incurring the expense of suing for a few hundred dollars. But here we are...
  - seba_dos1 2y ago
    > I think that anyone filing a lawsuit would probably take the phone instead of incurring the expense of suing for a few hundred dollars. You'd be surprised. I've personally managed to convince a few people to choose to get the phone right away rather than wait for a refund in conversations similar to this one - and they got them. It's not as easy as it may seem, and some people didn't want to hear about it at all. People left hanging for so long react very emotionally and I can't really blame them. I'm not even sure how I'd react myself with my own order if I didn't have inside knowledge and haven't seen things moving firsthand.

seba_dos1 2y ago

> No, they had no choice, as I made clear many times now. Everything you pointed to only confirms what I'm saying. Anyone who wanted the phone could get it. Some people got tired of waiting and decided they don't want one anymore and want a refund instead - and they can't get one, despite of being promised otherwise many years ago. Those people end up with no phone and no refund unless they change their mind again and confirm their shipping address. That's still shitty, but distinct from "taking the money and running away". From what I've been told refunds were still being processed, although very slowly. That I have no way of verifying though (but no reason not to believe it either - although I also wouldn't be surprised if it was about people taking legal action...).

wakawaka28 2y ago
As I said, the default is that consumers are entitled to refunds regardless of whether they were promised or not. The fact that anyone has to take it to court in 2025 tells me this is not a reputable company. Furthermore I don't have any reputable way to know if the phones are actually shipping on time in 2025. I think that anyone filing a lawsuit would probably take the phone instead of incurring the expense of suing for a few hundred dollars. But here we are...
- seba_dos1 2y ago
  > I think that anyone filing a lawsuit would probably take the phone instead of incurring the expense of suing for a few hundred dollars. You'd be surprised. I've personally managed to convince a few people to choose to get the phone right away rather than wait for a refund in conversations similar to this one - and they got them. It's not as easy as it may seem, and some people didn't want to hear about it at all. People left hanging for so long react very emotionally and I can't really blame them. I'm not even sure how I'd react myself with my own order if I didn't have inside knowledge and haven't seen things moving firsthand.