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Really? "There's a blown-down tree here"... "Someone ran into this lamp post"... "This traffic sign has been vandalized"... "There's someone parked on the grass

Really? "There's a blown-down tree here"... "Someone ran into this lamp post"... "This traffic sign has been vandalized"... "There's someone parked on the grass"... That's all without value?

whimsicalism 2y ago
i just do not think bus drivers where i live are doing that except maybe for the tree - you live in the US?
- antithesis-nl 2y ago
  Nope. Does my HN user name give any hints? Over here, bus drivers (and taxi drivers, ironically, despite being not exactly being law-abiding-as-a-class) account for, like, two thirds of all non-urgent-law-enforcement calls.
xnx 2y ago
If you think surveillance is valuable, you should love 360 video recorded by self-driving vehicles which travel all streets in a city, not just fixed routes.
- antithesis-nl 2y ago
  Yeah, I think surveillance is valuable. Do you think 'surveillance' is always bad? Like: nobody should mention the tree blocking the road, because, well... the implications?
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    no pretty sure their point is entirely earnest that cameras would be better for the articulated goals
  - xnx 2y ago
    > Do you think 'surveillance' is always bad? No. I would love for there to be many times more traffic cameras and license plate readers. Video-footage from self-driving vehicles could go a long way to getting dangerous drivers off of the road.
    - antithesis-nl 2y ago
      Sorry to burst your bubble in that case, but "getting dangerous drivers off the road" isn't going to happen. Actual case study, maybe slightly summarized an exaggerated: -Prosecution: here is a video of Defendant repeatedly running over several pedestrians -Defense: it was late at night, visibility was really low, and, besides, my client was very drunk. And they really, really need their car and license for their job! They would be ruined otherwise! -Judge: well, good points, are we missing something here? -Prosecution: They. Ran. Over. Several. Pedestrians. Forwards, then backwards! -Judge: yeah, OK, sure, they should cover the immediate medical costs for those unfortunate bystanders, but other than that I order a safe-driving course, 12 months of alcohol interlock and 36 months of suspended license revocation that nobody will care about, ever. Next case!
      - xnx 2y ago
        I am routinely furious where negligent drivers are let off with an "oopsie"[1]. But signs are encouraging that dashcams are already catching all types of criminality[2] that would have not been prosecuted before. [1] https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170126/old-town/ryne-san-hamel-bobby-cann-cyclist-killed-10-days-drunken-driver-bicyclist-clybourn/ https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170126/old-town/ryne-san-h... [2] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nyc-crash-staged-apparent-insurance-fraud-scheme-caught-dash-cam-belt-parkway-rosedale/5966959/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nyc-c...

Really? "There's a blown-down tree here"... "Someone ran into this lamp post"... "This traffic sign has been vandalized"... "There's someone parked on the grass"... That's all without value?

whimsicalism 2y ago

i just do not think bus drivers where i live are doing that except maybe for the tree - you live in the US?

antithesis-nl 2y ago
Nope. Does my HN user name give any hints? Over here, bus drivers (and taxi drivers, ironically, despite being not exactly being law-abiding-as-a-class) account for, like, two thirds of all non-urgent-law-enforcement calls.

xnx 2y ago

If you think surveillance is valuable, you should love 360 video recorded by self-driving vehicles which travel all streets in a city, not just fixed routes.

antithesis-nl 2y ago
Yeah, I think surveillance is valuable. Do you think 'surveillance' is always bad? Like: nobody should mention the tree blocking the road, because, well... the implications?
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  no pretty sure their point is entirely earnest that cameras would be better for the articulated goals
- xnx 2y ago
  > Do you think 'surveillance' is always bad? No. I would love for there to be many times more traffic cameras and license plate readers. Video-footage from self-driving vehicles could go a long way to getting dangerous drivers off of the road.
  - antithesis-nl 2y ago
    Sorry to burst your bubble in that case, but "getting dangerous drivers off the road" isn't going to happen. Actual case study, maybe slightly summarized an exaggerated: -Prosecution: here is a video of Defendant repeatedly running over several pedestrians -Defense: it was late at night, visibility was really low, and, besides, my client was very drunk. And they really, really need their car and license for their job! They would be ruined otherwise! -Judge: well, good points, are we missing something here? -Prosecution: They. Ran. Over. Several. Pedestrians. Forwards, then backwards! -Judge: yeah, OK, sure, they should cover the immediate medical costs for those unfortunate bystanders, but other than that I order a safe-driving course, 12 months of alcohol interlock and 36 months of suspended license revocation that nobody will care about, ever. Next case!
    - xnx 2y ago
      I am routinely furious where negligent drivers are let off with an "oopsie"[1]. But signs are encouraging that dashcams are already catching all types of criminality[2] that would have not been prosecuted before. [1] https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170126/old-town/ryne-san-hamel-bobby-cann-cyclist-killed-10-days-drunken-driver-bicyclist-clybourn/ https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170126/old-town/ryne-san-h... [2] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nyc-crash-staged-apparent-insurance-fraud-scheme-caught-dash-cam-belt-parkway-rosedale/5966959/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nyc-c...