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>You can have conversations about science and technology without weird angry people/bots popping up in the replies and shouting at you There's a guy on Twitter

>You can have conversations about science and technology without weird angry people/bots popping up in the replies and shouting at you There's a guy on Twitter who posts about AI and has been reposting his Bluesky interactions on Twitter. Absolutely unhinged people going off on his benign takes. It's hilarious. People who have moved to Bluesky like to tell themselves it's the "smart place", but it's really just the place where you agree with the politics.

peterpost2 2y ago
I'm not sure if I would agree with that, definitely a lot of political arguments going on in bsky. It definitely used to be an echochamber though. But with Twitter being packed with Nazi's and every other comment being a sex-spambot I would guess plenty of non-traditional bluesky users have come over.
- itsoktocry 2y ago
  I have a niche I follow on Twitter, and during the great Twitter migration a few month back, everyone made an effort to head to Bluesky. I did as well, because I want good content, I don't care about the platform. It's already a ghost town. Sparse posting, lots of empty "here's what I cooked for supper" posts.
- immibis 2y ago
  If Nazis become the majority, then non-Nazism is an echo chamber phenomenon. Is this fixable?
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    Yes, through blocklists. Jesse Singal and his coterie of ‘just asking questions’ ‘polite’ transphobes are on Bluesky, say, but through judicious use of blocklists one never needs to hear from them.
    - immibis 2y ago
      That's an echo chamber.
      - rsynnott 2y ago
        I mean, sure, okay. And, er, so? I don’t go to social networks to listen to weird obsessive bigots. If nothing else, those people are incredibly _boring_; it’s basically just the one joke. There is no moral obligation to listen to the ranting of crazy people.
pmarreck 2y ago
Second this. I apparently got broadly listbanned and accused of promoting "hasbarah" (a word I had to look up at the time and which is basically used more as a cudgel than a valid accusation) on Day 1 of Bluesky membership, simply for correcting misinformation being pushed by a Quranic-literalist* supporter. No thanks. Not interested in echo-chamber echoing; I only care about the best truths I can find. * that's my politically-defanged term for "terrorists"
- immibis 2y ago
  What was the misinformation you corrected?
  - pmarreck 2y ago
    It was something that a single Google would have corrected, as usual.
    - immibis 2y ago
      So what was it?
concerndc1tizen 2y ago
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afavour 2y ago
Got a link? If all he's doing is posting about AI I'm not sure why he'd provoke such responses but I'd be interested to see. > People who have moved to Bluesky like to tell themselves it's the "smart place", but it's really just the place where you agree with the politics. I migrated to Bluesky and I don't regard it for one second as a smart place. No social media is. My experience is that it's a quiet place, in the sense that a lot of people are talking but there are way fewer raised voices than there are over on Twitter, where people get monetarily rewarded for making viral content so they scream for attention.
- itsoktocry 2y ago
  >Got a link? You can probably find it if so inclined, he appears in my feed whenever these conversations come up. I have no interest in "proving it". >My experience is that it's a quiet place, in the sense that a lot of people are talking but there are way fewer raised voices than there are over on Twitter, where people get monetarily rewarded for making viral content. Both are the same format: it's a post and a stream of replies. Both are the same "volume". Both provide monetary value for viral content, though Twitter is much more explicit in that sense.
  - afavour 2y ago
    > I have no interest in "proving it". Then you should not be surprised when people are skeptical. It’s notable in your post and replies to it we’ve got multiple instance of folks saying “this totally reasonable thing happened on Bluesky and people went crazy” while providing zero contextual links. Very possible we have quite different definitions of “totally reasonable” and “crazy” here. > Both provide monetary value for viral content, though Twitter is much more explicit in that sense. Come on. Twitter literally pays our users based on the viewing figures of their tweets. Bluesky has absolutely nothing comparable. The quality of conversation on Twitter made a notable dip as soon as they made their change.
    - itsoktocry 2y ago
      >Then you should not be surprised when people are skeptical. I don't care if you're skeptical, I'm not going to placate sealions. Go use Bluesky. My experience there is it's just as political. Let's revisit in a year. >The quality of conversation on Twitter made a notable dip as soon as they made their change. "...while providing zero contextual links."
paulgb 2y ago
> People who have moved to Bluesky like to tell themselves it's the "smart place", but it's really just the place where you agree with the politics. I don't care if it's the smart place, but it's nice to have a feed that reminds me of pre-2015 internet spaces where people talked about things other than politics. I just did an experiment and opened up the for-you page on X, and out of 18 random posts of people I didn't follow, 10 were political in nature (ranging from MAGA to far left). I open Bluesky and I see art, technical projects, people's pets, etc.
- itsoktocry 2y ago
  >I don't care if it's the smart place, but it's nice to have a feed that reminds me of pre-2015 internet spaces where people talked about things other than politics. Sure. I went over in the recent migration/exodus and half my feed was (and still is): anti-Trump, anti-Musk and COVID. And I am following a very particular topic/niche, not random accounts. There is plenty of politics. I wish Bluesky was the answer, but it isn't yet, as much as people keep pretending.
  - paulgb 2y ago
    Your following feed, or discover feed? I make my following feed the default (an ability that X took away to boost engagement) and I don't see much politics in following at all, and I have to scroll discover for a while even to find some political jokes.

peterpost2 2y ago

I'm not sure if I would agree with that, definitely a lot of political arguments going on in bsky. It definitely used to be an echochamber though. But with Twitter being packed with Nazi's and every other comment being a sex-spambot I would guess plenty of non-traditional bluesky users have come over.

itsoktocry 2y ago
I have a niche I follow on Twitter, and during the great Twitter migration a few month back, everyone made an effort to head to Bluesky. I did as well, because I want good content, I don't care about the platform. It's already a ghost town. Sparse posting, lots of empty "here's what I cooked for supper" posts.
immibis 2y ago
If Nazis become the majority, then non-Nazism is an echo chamber phenomenon. Is this fixable?
- rsynnott 2y ago
  Yes, through blocklists. Jesse Singal and his coterie of ‘just asking questions’ ‘polite’ transphobes are on Bluesky, say, but through judicious use of blocklists one never needs to hear from them.
  - immibis 2y ago
    That's an echo chamber.
    - rsynnott 2y ago
      I mean, sure, okay. And, er, so? I don’t go to social networks to listen to weird obsessive bigots. If nothing else, those people are incredibly _boring_; it’s basically just the one joke. There is no moral obligation to listen to the ranting of crazy people.

pmarreck 2y ago

Second this. I apparently got broadly listbanned and accused of promoting "hasbarah" (a word I had to look up at the time and which is basically used more as a cudgel than a valid accusation) on Day 1 of Bluesky membership, simply for correcting misinformation being pushed by a Quranic-literalist* supporter. No thanks. Not interested in echo-chamber echoing; I only care about the best truths I can find. * that's my politically-defanged term for "terrorists"

immibis 2y ago
What was the misinformation you corrected?
- pmarreck 2y ago
  It was something that a single Google would have corrected, as usual.
  - immibis 2y ago
    So what was it?

concerndc1tizen 2y ago

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afavour 2y ago

Got a link? If all he's doing is posting about AI I'm not sure why he'd provoke such responses but I'd be interested to see. > People who have moved to Bluesky like to tell themselves it's the "smart place", but it's really just the place where you agree with the politics. I migrated to Bluesky and I don't regard it for one second as a smart place. No social media is. My experience is that it's a quiet place, in the sense that a lot of people are talking but there are way fewer raised voices than there are over on Twitter, where people get monetarily rewarded for making viral content so they scream for attention.

itsoktocry 2y ago
>Got a link? You can probably find it if so inclined, he appears in my feed whenever these conversations come up. I have no interest in "proving it". >My experience is that it's a quiet place, in the sense that a lot of people are talking but there are way fewer raised voices than there are over on Twitter, where people get monetarily rewarded for making viral content. Both are the same format: it's a post and a stream of replies. Both are the same "volume". Both provide monetary value for viral content, though Twitter is much more explicit in that sense.
- afavour 2y ago
  > I have no interest in "proving it". Then you should not be surprised when people are skeptical. It’s notable in your post and replies to it we’ve got multiple instance of folks saying “this totally reasonable thing happened on Bluesky and people went crazy” while providing zero contextual links. Very possible we have quite different definitions of “totally reasonable” and “crazy” here. > Both provide monetary value for viral content, though Twitter is much more explicit in that sense. Come on. Twitter literally pays our users based on the viewing figures of their tweets. Bluesky has absolutely nothing comparable. The quality of conversation on Twitter made a notable dip as soon as they made their change.
  - itsoktocry 2y ago
    >Then you should not be surprised when people are skeptical. I don't care if you're skeptical, I'm not going to placate sealions. Go use Bluesky. My experience there is it's just as political. Let's revisit in a year. >The quality of conversation on Twitter made a notable dip as soon as they made their change. "...while providing zero contextual links."

paulgb 2y ago

> People who have moved to Bluesky like to tell themselves it's the "smart place", but it's really just the place where you agree with the politics. I don't care if it's the smart place, but it's nice to have a feed that reminds me of pre-2015 internet spaces where people talked about things other than politics. I just did an experiment and opened up the for-you page on X, and out of 18 random posts of people I didn't follow, 10 were political in nature (ranging from MAGA to far left). I open Bluesky and I see art, technical projects, people's pets, etc.

itsoktocry 2y ago
>I don't care if it's the smart place, but it's nice to have a feed that reminds me of pre-2015 internet spaces where people talked about things other than politics. Sure. I went over in the recent migration/exodus and half my feed was (and still is): anti-Trump, anti-Musk and COVID. And I am following a very particular topic/niche, not random accounts. There is plenty of politics. I wish Bluesky was the answer, but it isn't yet, as much as people keep pretending.
- paulgb 2y ago
  Your following feed, or discover feed? I make my following feed the default (an ability that X took away to boost engagement) and I don't see much politics in following at all, and I have to scroll discover for a while even to find some political jokes.