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Bluesky has a nuclear block which really helps.

verdverm 2y ago
Bluesky, or more accurately ATProto, has stackable moderation which is more sustainable in the long run https://github.blog/news-insights/the-library/browser-monitoring-for-github-com/ https://github.blog/news-insights/the-library/browser-monito... tl;dr - anyone can run a labelling service, users have choice which one(s) they use (Bluesky &| 3rd party), competition and network effect will surface the good ones and weed out the bad ones. This concept is going to be extended to community notes, sometime this year I suspect
- patmorgan23 2y ago
  Yeah. Think that got the broad strokes of the atproto architecture right for social media. Individual data stores -> aggregation/crawler layer -> services/app views. Feels like how search engines work with html web sites. I think it will be more successful than Mastodon has been.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    It's already 3x+ the size and growing faster, I would say it is already more successful in one regard. Next up is to build out the app ecosystem that APub has
    - immibis 2y ago
      Note: the reasons Bluesky is more popular than Mastodon have nothing to do with their technical architectures (except insofar as some people have learned helplessness about x@y), and everything to do with one being heavily marketed by a billionaire. Though people do seem to prefer a consistent moderation policy, even if it's harsher. People don't like to have free speech about the things they want to speak about, and have another group of people choose to ignore it. They want to either speak to everyone at once or be blocked from everyone at once (at which time they make a new account).
      - verdverm 2y ago
        I'm not sure what / which you are talking about in that second paragraph, but it does not describe moderation and preferences on Bluesky. ATProto has the best moderation scheme I have seen. It enables user choice and provider competition The reason Mastodon | ActivityPub is not on boarding users like Bluesky | ATProto has a lot to do with the friction and discovery differences. ATProto was designed in part by understanding where ActivityPub had limitations and rough edges
        immibis 2y ago
        I dunno about that. Bluesky deleted my entire alternate account parodying Donald Trump. Could I host it on my own PDS instead? Maybe, but they still own *the* relay.

Bluesky, or more accurately ATProto, has stackable moderation which is more sustainable in the long run https://github.blog/news-insights/the-library/browser-monitoring-for-github-com/ https://github.blog/news-insights/the-library/browser-monito... tl;dr - anyone can run a labelling service, users have choice which one(s) they use (Bluesky &| 3rd party), competition and network effect will surface the good ones and weed out the bad ones. This concept is going to be extended to community notes, sometime this year I suspect

patmorgan23 2y ago
Yeah. Think that got the broad strokes of the atproto architecture right for social media. Individual data stores -> aggregation/crawler layer -> services/app views. Feels like how search engines work with html web sites. I think it will be more successful than Mastodon has been.
- verdverm 2y ago
  It's already 3x+ the size and growing faster, I would say it is already more successful in one regard. Next up is to build out the app ecosystem that APub has
  - immibis 2y ago
    Note: the reasons Bluesky is more popular than Mastodon have nothing to do with their technical architectures (except insofar as some people have learned helplessness about x@y), and everything to do with one being heavily marketed by a billionaire. Though people do seem to prefer a consistent moderation policy, even if it's harsher. People don't like to have free speech about the things they want to speak about, and have another group of people choose to ignore it. They want to either speak to everyone at once or be blocked from everyone at once (at which time they make a new account).
    - verdverm 2y ago
      I'm not sure what / which you are talking about in that second paragraph, but it does not describe moderation and preferences on Bluesky. ATProto has the best moderation scheme I have seen. It enables user choice and provider competition The reason Mastodon | ActivityPub is not on boarding users like Bluesky | ATProto has a lot to do with the friction and discovery differences. ATProto was designed in part by understanding where ActivityPub had limitations and rough edges
      - immibis 2y ago
        I dunno about that. Bluesky deleted my entire alternate account parodying Donald Trump. Could I host it on my own PDS instead? Maybe, but they still own *the* relay.