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Coding will become AI dominated at many levels. A lot of people on here don't want to hear that because they have an ego about their exclusive coding skills. Yo

Coding will become AI dominated at many levels. A lot of people on here don't want to hear that because they have an ego about their exclusive coding skills. Your compensation will decrease. You may be fired. The coding ability of the average 'senior' developer is not impressive, and the title will not protect you.

phkahler 2y ago
The only thing AI can code is glue code. But that is the majority of what people write these days. I've avoided that kind of work and AI disappoints me every time I've tried it with one exception - text to images.
- philomath_mn 2y ago
  > The only thing AI can code is X I am curious, do you think it will stay this way? AI couldn't code anything 2.5 years ago, why should it stop with glue code? Yesterday I fed the first 3 questions from the 2024 Putnam Exam [0] into a new open source LLM and it got 3/3. The progress is incredible and I don't expect it to suddenly stop where it is. [0] https://kskedlaya.org/putnam-archive/ https://kskedlaya.org/putnam-archive/
  - diogene_laerzio 2y ago
    The results are already public aren't they. Couldn't have just read out the solution?
    - philomath_mn 2y ago
      Exam was administered on December 7th 2024, so it is possible this is in the training data but unlikely. The open source model as worked through the problem step by step (it was R1 so I could read its chain of thought). That could be an elaborate ruse, but also unlikely.
  - phkahler 2y ago
    I expect it to get better some day, but not really good in the next 10 years. I've been calling BS on fully autonomous driving for a decade and I still believe it takes AGI to do that and I think that's still a long way out. LLMs literally grew out of autocomplete, and aside from having a huge amount of information they still don't understand, and certainly don't learn during inference.
philomath_mn 2y ago
I have a sinking feeling that this is correct but I'd love to understand the arguments for/against this position. Do you have any podcast/blog/videos that you recommend which make your case clearly?
- remoroid 2y ago
  Dont have any recommendations, I don't watch or read anyone. Think of it in two parts. You have the coding skill: knowledge of syntax, technical details, inputs, outputs, some math and logic, the infamous 'DSA' that millions of Indian people with no talent can solve. <- People pedestalize this. Then you have the project manager / architect skill of shaping things and having an understanding of the tech stack - but does not need to be a great coder. Maybe they were in the past, but they're not grinding silly LeetCode questions and cannot solve them, and are smart enough to see that as the hamster wheel surrogate goal that it is. I think we need less of the former, much less. I don't see it as a bad thing. I myself have severe carpal tunnel, RSI, and back problems, from sitting at a computer. Almost all of the students that jumped into programming courses did so for money. They have no passion (less than me by far) for coding. Its a lie perpetuated by toxic positivity and invested groups that coding is some magical, super cool, super smart activity. Its very overdue at this point. DeepSeek R1 and V3 are competing with o1, open source and local hostable. NVidia is coming out with small AI GPUs for consumers. The winners of this AI age is everyone. EXCEPT 'coders'. Many getting 6 figures to maintain a CRUD app. I don't feel sorry for them! Cooking up garbage apps in PHP - I cannot wait for it to be overturned by energy efficient AI made apps in Rust.

phkahler 2y ago

The only thing AI can code is glue code. But that is the majority of what people write these days. I've avoided that kind of work and AI disappoints me every time I've tried it with one exception - text to images.

philomath_mn 2y ago
> The only thing AI can code is X I am curious, do you think it will stay this way? AI couldn't code anything 2.5 years ago, why should it stop with glue code? Yesterday I fed the first 3 questions from the 2024 Putnam Exam [0] into a new open source LLM and it got 3/3. The progress is incredible and I don't expect it to suddenly stop where it is. [0] https://kskedlaya.org/putnam-archive/ https://kskedlaya.org/putnam-archive/
- diogene_laerzio 2y ago
  The results are already public aren't they. Couldn't have just read out the solution?
  - philomath_mn 2y ago
    Exam was administered on December 7th 2024, so it is possible this is in the training data but unlikely. The open source model as worked through the problem step by step (it was R1 so I could read its chain of thought). That could be an elaborate ruse, but also unlikely.
- phkahler 2y ago
  I expect it to get better some day, but not really good in the next 10 years. I've been calling BS on fully autonomous driving for a decade and I still believe it takes AGI to do that and I think that's still a long way out. LLMs literally grew out of autocomplete, and aside from having a huge amount of information they still don't understand, and certainly don't learn during inference.

philomath_mn 2y ago

I have a sinking feeling that this is correct but I'd love to understand the arguments for/against this position. Do you have any podcast/blog/videos that you recommend which make your case clearly?

remoroid 2y ago
Dont have any recommendations, I don't watch or read anyone. Think of it in two parts. You have the coding skill: knowledge of syntax, technical details, inputs, outputs, some math and logic, the infamous 'DSA' that millions of Indian people with no talent can solve. <- People pedestalize this. Then you have the project manager / architect skill of shaping things and having an understanding of the tech stack - but does not need to be a great coder. Maybe they were in the past, but they're not grinding silly LeetCode questions and cannot solve them, and are smart enough to see that as the hamster wheel surrogate goal that it is. I think we need less of the former, much less. I don't see it as a bad thing. I myself have severe carpal tunnel, RSI, and back problems, from sitting at a computer. Almost all of the students that jumped into programming courses did so for money. They have no passion (less than me by far) for coding. Its a lie perpetuated by toxic positivity and invested groups that coding is some magical, super cool, super smart activity. Its very overdue at this point. DeepSeek R1 and V3 are competing with o1, open source and local hostable. NVidia is coming out with small AI GPUs for consumers. The winners of this AI age is everyone. EXCEPT 'coders'. Many getting 6 figures to maintain a CRUD app. I don't feel sorry for them! Cooking up garbage apps in PHP - I cannot wait for it to be overturned by energy efficient AI made apps in Rust.