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The solution is easy: rip the GFCI/AFCI breaker out and put a normal one in. Keep the code-compliant one in a plastic sack and reinstall it before you sell or g

The solution is easy: rip the GFCI/AFCI breaker out and put a normal one in. Keep the code-compliant one in a plastic sack and reinstall it before you sell or get inspected for another reason. Used to be the advice was to put in a hardwired charger and bypass this entirely, but now they’re ruining that. This is one of those cases where having a screwdriver and a phone with YouTube is a huge advantage.

robocat 2y ago
Easy except you should make sure you understand the implications for your insurance and liability (not so easy to judge that risk).
- rogerrogerr 2y ago
  Absolutely. This is well within my comfort level for messing with inside my private home - I understand the underlying system, the problem they’re trying to solve, and why it’s a bad solution. Certainly don’t go screwing around with mains electricity until you can articulate all of the above, and have an electrician friend show you how to make proper connections and such. But for most of HN… it wouldn’t be hard at all. Stripping insulation off 6/3 wire would be the hardest part of the process for most people here to install a whole new outlet for their EV. Changing a breaker is nearly child’s play.
  - toast0 2y ago
    Stripping wire insulation isn't so bad, fishing the wire from the panel to the outlet is almost certainly much more difficult.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Insurance (typically) covers negligence, but not intentional bad acts. Put a non GFCI breaker in post inspection (assuming you are comfortable doing so). “Breaker failed and I replaced it.” Change it before home inspection when you sell.
  - rogerrogerr 2y ago
    “How did you know it went bad?” … “It kept flicking off every time I plugged my car in! Got a new one and it did the same thing, finally the helpful guy at the hardware store suggested using this one and now it works fine!” I’d argue you aren’t taking on much fire risk anyway. Your medical insurance would probably be more interested than your home insurance. Also, don’t bathe with a plugged in car charger. In case that needed to be said…
    - rtkwe 2y ago
      Even that would probably be fine so long as you were only bathing with the plug end. The charger doesn't enable until it's established through the low power pins that it's connected to a car and has negotiated the charging parameters.

robocat 2y ago

Easy except you should make sure you understand the implications for your insurance and liability (not so easy to judge that risk).

rogerrogerr 2y ago
Absolutely. This is well within my comfort level for messing with inside my private home - I understand the underlying system, the problem they’re trying to solve, and why it’s a bad solution. Certainly don’t go screwing around with mains electricity until you can articulate all of the above, and have an electrician friend show you how to make proper connections and such. But for most of HN… it wouldn’t be hard at all. Stripping insulation off 6/3 wire would be the hardest part of the process for most people here to install a whole new outlet for their EV. Changing a breaker is nearly child’s play.
- toast0 2y ago
  Stripping wire insulation isn't so bad, fishing the wire from the panel to the outlet is almost certainly much more difficult.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Insurance (typically) covers negligence, but not intentional bad acts. Put a non GFCI breaker in post inspection (assuming you are comfortable doing so). “Breaker failed and I replaced it.” Change it before home inspection when you sell.
- rogerrogerr 2y ago
  “How did you know it went bad?” … “It kept flicking off every time I plugged my car in! Got a new one and it did the same thing, finally the helpful guy at the hardware store suggested using this one and now it works fine!” I’d argue you aren’t taking on much fire risk anyway. Your medical insurance would probably be more interested than your home insurance. Also, don’t bathe with a plugged in car charger. In case that needed to be said…
  - rtkwe 2y ago
    Even that would probably be fine so long as you were only bathing with the plug end. The charger doesn't enable until it's established through the low power pins that it's connected to a car and has negotiated the charging parameters.