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Justice Department Orders a Halt to Civil Rights Work

7 points by whack 2y ago

johnneville 2y ago
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bediger4000 2y ago
This would seem to me to be one of the tasks that only a federal government could do, and also a justifiable expenditure of money.
like_any_other 2y ago
The non-Hispanic White homicide rate [0] is 10.7, and the Black homicide rate is 79.6 [1]. The rate of police killings is 24 for Whites, and 70 for Blacks [2]. This means that, for every homicide committed by a White person, the police kill 2.24 White people, while for every homicide committed by a Black person, the police kill 0.88 Black people. Given these numbers, one would expect there would be about 2.5x more civil rights cases alleging the police are excessively violent towards Whites, as there are such cases alleging they are excessively violent towards Blacks. This is not remotely the case, yet they NYTimes uncritically believes all those civil rights prosecutions, and reserves their doubts about the justice system only for criminal prosecutions and police work. There is not a hint in their article of the remotest possibility that any "civil rights work" could have been in error. [0] All rates given per one million population per year. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... - subtract Hispanic perpetrators from the White ones (for some reason the FBI combined White and Hispanic/Latino) and use US demographics to get per-capita numbers. [2] https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ - For the 2013 - 2023 period. Unlike the FBI, they count Hispanic and White separately.
- gibbitz 2y ago
  70 is still more than 40 more deaths for blacks. 100% of 1 is just one where 10% of 1 million is 100,000. So would 100,000 deaths be better because it's a lower percentage? What connection does civilian on civilian homicide rate have to police on civilian fatality rate anyway?
  - like_any_other 2y ago
    > What connection does civilian on civilian homicide rate have to police on civilian fatality rate anyway? It shows the degree of necessary police involvement in a population. It's the reason that in 2023, police killed 1107 men, but only 48 women: https://www.statista.com/statistics/585149/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-gender/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585149/people-shot-to-de...

7 points by whack 2y ago

johnneville 2y ago

https://archive.ph/GJnQW https://archive.ph/GJnQW

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bediger4000 2y ago

This would seem to me to be one of the tasks that only a federal government could do, and also a justifiable expenditure of money.

like_any_other 2y ago

The non-Hispanic White homicide rate [0] is 10.7, and the Black homicide rate is 79.6 [1]. The rate of police killings is 24 for Whites, and 70 for Blacks [2]. This means that, for every homicide committed by a White person, the police kill 2.24 White people, while for every homicide committed by a Black person, the police kill 0.88 Black people. Given these numbers, one would expect there would be about 2.5x more civil rights cases alleging the police are excessively violent towards Whites, as there are such cases alleging they are excessively violent towards Blacks. This is not remotely the case, yet they NYTimes uncritically believes all those civil rights prosecutions, and reserves their doubts about the justice system only for criminal prosecutions and police work. There is not a hint in their article of the remotest possibility that any "civil rights work" could have been in error. [0] All rates given per one million population per year. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... - subtract Hispanic perpetrators from the White ones (for some reason the FBI combined White and Hispanic/Latino) and use US demographics to get per-capita numbers. [2] https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ - For the 2013 - 2023 period. Unlike the FBI, they count Hispanic and White separately.

gibbitz 2y ago
70 is still more than 40 more deaths for blacks. 100% of 1 is just one where 10% of 1 million is 100,000. So would 100,000 deaths be better because it's a lower percentage? What connection does civilian on civilian homicide rate have to police on civilian fatality rate anyway?
- like_any_other 2y ago
  > What connection does civilian on civilian homicide rate have to police on civilian fatality rate anyway? It shows the degree of necessary police involvement in a population. It's the reason that in 2023, police killed 1107 men, but only 48 women: https://www.statista.com/statistics/585149/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-gender/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585149/people-shot-to-de...