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This needs to be done VERY slowly over a long period of time. Any fast solutions will result in massive economic problems because the economy doesn't have enoug

This needs to be done VERY slowly over a long period of time. Any fast solutions will result in massive economic problems because the economy doesn't have enough time to adjust. Violent criminals can be deported immediately, those on welfare should be next (but given enough time so they can at least save up money and not end up homeless when they reach their original country), then those not working should be deported, then lastely those working should be given a chance to self deport or promise a self deportation timeframe. Mass deportations of this scale 20-30 million people should be done over the course of a decade at the minimum. I'm against illegal immigration but also against crashing the economy or dumping our illegal immigrants back in their home country without a plan or safety net.

palmfacehn 2y ago
Ideally there would be reform of the legal immigration process as well. The US has supported UN NGOs which incentivize quasi-legal migration. Migrants claiming asylum have been coached through the process and subsidized. Meanwhile the backlog for processing is untenable. What else can be expected under this scenario? Of course these alleged asylum seekers will find work. The process should be streamlined for legitimate asylum claims and legal immigration. Applicants of any type shouldn't wait months or sometimes years. The process shouldn't require lawyers or byzantine procedures. It looks bad when the government is subsidizing individuals who arguably abuse the system. Those who wish to abide by the rules are put through an expensive, kafakesque bureaucracy. The absolute worst are the individuals who prey upon the migrants and exploit women and children in the process. Mass deportations are not the ideal solution, but the current incentive structure has created a horrible situation.
buddavis_ 2y ago
Googling for statistics was difficult. Lots of month to month 'headlines', but the averages were difficult to determine. Highly variable. Best I can come up with is last year 250,000 non citizens were removed from the US. (deported? i think that is the word). This excludes those turned away at the border, or not allowed in after contact with a border agent (not an expert, this is inferred by reading a couple of pages). 685 per day, every day. Take 30 million eligible. That would take about 120 years. Even doing it over 10 years would require increasing the current effort by a factor of 12. No way the government can expand enough, and allocate enough resources to make that happen. Double or triple the current pace, maybe. It is going to take a long time. (personal opinion: criminals, send them back. immigrants committing fraud, send them back. people working and being part of society, make them a pathway to citizenship or legal residence. close the border to un monitored crossings)

palmfacehn 2y ago

Ideally there would be reform of the legal immigration process as well. The US has supported UN NGOs which incentivize quasi-legal migration. Migrants claiming asylum have been coached through the process and subsidized. Meanwhile the backlog for processing is untenable. What else can be expected under this scenario? Of course these alleged asylum seekers will find work. The process should be streamlined for legitimate asylum claims and legal immigration. Applicants of any type shouldn't wait months or sometimes years. The process shouldn't require lawyers or byzantine procedures. It looks bad when the government is subsidizing individuals who arguably abuse the system. Those who wish to abide by the rules are put through an expensive, kafakesque bureaucracy. The absolute worst are the individuals who prey upon the migrants and exploit women and children in the process. Mass deportations are not the ideal solution, but the current incentive structure has created a horrible situation.

buddavis_ 2y ago

Googling for statistics was difficult. Lots of month to month 'headlines', but the averages were difficult to determine. Highly variable. Best I can come up with is last year 250,000 non citizens were removed from the US. (deported? i think that is the word). This excludes those turned away at the border, or not allowed in after contact with a border agent (not an expert, this is inferred by reading a couple of pages). 685 per day, every day. Take 30 million eligible. That would take about 120 years. Even doing it over 10 years would require increasing the current effort by a factor of 12. No way the government can expand enough, and allocate enough resources to make that happen. Double or triple the current pace, maybe. It is going to take a long time. (personal opinion: criminals, send them back. immigrants committing fraud, send them back. people working and being part of society, make them a pathway to citizenship or legal residence. close the border to un monitored crossings)