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Not fixing it didn't work well for the prior admin. If fixing it and not fixing it are both political losers, politicians might as well follow their principles

Not fixing it didn't work well for the prior admin. If fixing it and not fixing it are both political losers, politicians might as well follow their principles as a last resort. To see what it's like.

verdverm 2y ago
Being more holistic about the problem instead of only talking about it as a border issue or sign of racism (depending on which side you are on) For anyone that looks at the actual data, the real issue is not immigration, we averaged over 1M a year for decades and it was not such a hot button issue. Trump is more a symptom, that used xenophobia as an outlet and rallying cry, for those who were left behind as the economy has shifted from a manufacturing base to an information / services base. My winning move might be reframing as class warfare against the oligarchy, but we are in culture wars right now... It's also worth considering this a global issue and pattern
sympil 2y ago
They did “fix” it but legislation was sabotaged by Republicans. Republicans sabotaged George W. Bush’s immigration “fix”.
- delichon 2y ago
  If legislation is necessary to fix it, does that predict that Trump's executive orders on undocumented immigration won't have a significant effect?
  - verdverm 2y ago
    EOs are limited in ways legislation is not. They are also trivially changed with a change to the administration, making them less significant if one looks beyond a few years
    - delichon 2y ago
      This seems to acknowledge that Trump is making effective temporary changes that the Biden administration chose not to. I think that and inflation swung the election.
      - verdverm 2y ago
        I'm making no such acknowledgement they are effective changes, it's only been 3 days... I expect if they are actually allowed to go into force for any extended period of time to the extent they want, the secondary effects will cause more harm than a few hundred thousand of extra undocumented immigrants I certainly find them to have significant inhumane potential that does not align with my vision for what being American means
        delichon 2y ago
        I've spent four decades looking at the vote and learning that my fellow Americans are not aligned with my vision of being an American. If this is new to you then welcome to the party. I wish I could tell you that it gets easier.

verdverm 2y ago

Being more holistic about the problem instead of only talking about it as a border issue or sign of racism (depending on which side you are on) For anyone that looks at the actual data, the real issue is not immigration, we averaged over 1M a year for decades and it was not such a hot button issue. Trump is more a symptom, that used xenophobia as an outlet and rallying cry, for those who were left behind as the economy has shifted from a manufacturing base to an information / services base. My winning move might be reframing as class warfare against the oligarchy, but we are in culture wars right now... It's also worth considering this a global issue and pattern

sympil 2y ago

They did “fix” it but legislation was sabotaged by Republicans. Republicans sabotaged George W. Bush’s immigration “fix”.

delichon 2y ago
If legislation is necessary to fix it, does that predict that Trump's executive orders on undocumented immigration won't have a significant effect?
- verdverm 2y ago
  EOs are limited in ways legislation is not. They are also trivially changed with a change to the administration, making them less significant if one looks beyond a few years
  - delichon 2y ago
    This seems to acknowledge that Trump is making effective temporary changes that the Biden administration chose not to. I think that and inflation swung the election.
    - verdverm 2y ago
      I'm making no such acknowledgement they are effective changes, it's only been 3 days... I expect if they are actually allowed to go into force for any extended period of time to the extent they want, the secondary effects will cause more harm than a few hundred thousand of extra undocumented immigrants I certainly find them to have significant inhumane potential that does not align with my vision for what being American means
      - delichon 2y ago
        I've spent four decades looking at the vote and learning that my fellow Americans are not aligned with my vision of being an American. If this is new to you then welcome to the party. I wish I could tell you that it gets easier.