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I agree but then he isn't THAT smart. I mean they went all the way on restricting abortion after using it for campaigns for decades.

verdverm 2y ago
Abortion is now even more pervasive in politics, expanded to state level elections and a forever issue... since the only way to a national law is through congress and any law can be modified, replaced, or removed by a change in the makeup of congress. It likely means cultural wars will dominate over policy debates, which is what the oligarchy wants... distraction of the pleebs so they can consolidate wealth and power even more. I think the only way to reframe and fix the path we are on is to build a coalition and move from culture war to class warfare
- CuriouslyC 2y ago
  The culture war is going to be over soon, the left has basically given up. When we have trillionaires at the same time as social security and medicare going tits up, Luigi-type figures are going to come out of the woodwork. The ultra rich won't be able to hire help because they'll be too scared. At that point the government is done unless it turns hard left.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    I don't think the culture war is over, the left seems to be reflecting, and it has certainly taken a motivation hit, but giving up has not happened. The left is lacking a leading voice to rally behind Keep in mind, Donold only won by ~100k voters across 3 states. There was not a landslide nor is there a mandate
    - steveBK123 2y ago
      He shifted voters incrementally more red than previous elections across almost every zip code, and demographic. It was very much a wipeout in that sense. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/p...
      - verdverm 2y ago
        An election where if 100k voters in 3 states had checked a different box, does not make a wipeout. A small movement across some of the demographics, while also others going the other way, does not make a wipeout This is what wipeouts look like: https://www.history.com/news/landslide-presidential-elections https://www.history.com/news/landslide-presidential-election...
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        wipeout is what grandpa biden did to him in 2020, 2024 was thin margin victory - nowhere near any sane definition of a “wipeout”
  - exe34 2y ago
    I imagine robot soldiers that answer to them aren't far off.
    - CuriouslyC 2y ago
      The real life way that we'll have Terminator is when the oligarchs make AI to defend themselves, and the AI keeps fighting after all oligarchs have been killed by revolutionaries.
      - exe34 2y ago
        I suspect automated manufacturing and automated maintenance of the manufacturing could lead to a world where the rich can afford to kill off the poor, and then over generations devolve into a society that has no knowledge of how the machine that is providing them with food and supplies works- without any ASI takeoff.
- steveBK123 2y ago
  Well its an issue but GOP I think accidentally flipped the salience of it. It used to be a way to motivate the right wing base to get out & vote to give it back to the states / try to ban it. Now its an issue for the left wing to get out the base & vote to restore consistent national access.

verdverm 2y ago

Abortion is now even more pervasive in politics, expanded to state level elections and a forever issue... since the only way to a national law is through congress and any law can be modified, replaced, or removed by a change in the makeup of congress. It likely means cultural wars will dominate over policy debates, which is what the oligarchy wants... distraction of the pleebs so they can consolidate wealth and power even more. I think the only way to reframe and fix the path we are on is to build a coalition and move from culture war to class warfare

CuriouslyC 2y ago
The culture war is going to be over soon, the left has basically given up. When we have trillionaires at the same time as social security and medicare going tits up, Luigi-type figures are going to come out of the woodwork. The ultra rich won't be able to hire help because they'll be too scared. At that point the government is done unless it turns hard left.
- verdverm 2y ago
  I don't think the culture war is over, the left seems to be reflecting, and it has certainly taken a motivation hit, but giving up has not happened. The left is lacking a leading voice to rally behind Keep in mind, Donold only won by ~100k voters across 3 states. There was not a landslide nor is there a mandate
  - steveBK123 2y ago
    He shifted voters incrementally more red than previous elections across almost every zip code, and demographic. It was very much a wipeout in that sense. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/p...
    - verdverm 2y ago
      An election where if 100k voters in 3 states had checked a different box, does not make a wipeout. A small movement across some of the demographics, while also others going the other way, does not make a wipeout This is what wipeouts look like: https://www.history.com/news/landslide-presidential-elections https://www.history.com/news/landslide-presidential-election...
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      wipeout is what grandpa biden did to him in 2020, 2024 was thin margin victory - nowhere near any sane definition of a “wipeout”
- exe34 2y ago
  I imagine robot soldiers that answer to them aren't far off.
  - CuriouslyC 2y ago
    The real life way that we'll have Terminator is when the oligarchs make AI to defend themselves, and the AI keeps fighting after all oligarchs have been killed by revolutionaries.
    - exe34 2y ago
      I suspect automated manufacturing and automated maintenance of the manufacturing could lead to a world where the rich can afford to kill off the poor, and then over generations devolve into a society that has no knowledge of how the machine that is providing them with food and supplies works- without any ASI takeoff.
steveBK123 2y ago
Well its an issue but GOP I think accidentally flipped the salience of it. It used to be a way to motivate the right wing base to get out & vote to give it back to the states / try to ban it. Now its an issue for the left wing to get out the base & vote to restore consistent national access.