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I believe the emphasis should have been fixing the immigration process and in parallel removing all the violent illegal immigrants whilst leaving the working an

I believe the emphasis should have been fixing the immigration process and in parallel removing all the violent illegal immigrants whilst leaving the working and tax paying illegal immigrants alone. Less damage to the worker base and less damage to society and giving companies a grace period to get into compliance. Companies should be given a way to help expedite the background check process and take responsibility for the employees.

verdverm 2y ago
Fixing the immigration process means losing the biggest, campaign winning issue Donold is also not known or building consensus and finding middle ground. These are at the core of legislating for a diverse country.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  he won’t get very much through congress in the 2nd term either. the EOs are like a one-night stand, everyone who disagrees with him is all up in arms about but everything he stroked the pen on will be erased in a day in 2029 - not that he gives a shit about that, he’ll probably he a trillionaire by the time he leaves office and that’s the only thing he cares about :)
  - verdverm 2y ago
    I think the prospects of a US recession, or global if a fight over Taiwan blows up, more likely than there being any trillionaires in the next four years
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      EXACTLY same comments were made by many in 2021 when Biden took office... eventually one might be right about that ... :)
      - verdverm 2y ago
        Xi has made it is career goal to end the Chinese civil war and he doesn't have that much time left. Even in the previous election cycle, experts have been estimating near the end of the decade
- steveBK123 2y ago
  I agree but then he isn't THAT smart. I mean they went all the way on restricting abortion after using it for campaigns for decades.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    Abortion is now even more pervasive in politics, expanded to state level elections and a forever issue... since the only way to a national law is through congress and any law can be modified, replaced, or removed by a change in the makeup of congress. It likely means cultural wars will dominate over policy debates, which is what the oligarchy wants... distraction of the pleebs so they can consolidate wealth and power even more. I think the only way to reframe and fix the path we are on is to build a coalition and move from culture war to class warfare
    - CuriouslyC 2y ago
      The culture war is going to be over soon, the left has basically given up. When we have trillionaires at the same time as social security and medicare going tits up, Luigi-type figures are going to come out of the woodwork. The ultra rich won't be able to hire help because they'll be too scared. At that point the government is done unless it turns hard left.
      - verdverm 2y ago
        I don't think the culture war is over, the left seems to be reflecting, and it has certainly taken a motivation hit, but giving up has not happened. The left is lacking a leading voice to rally behind Keep in mind, Donold only won by ~100k voters across 3 states. There was not a landslide nor is there a mandate
        steveBK123 2y ago
        He shifted voters incrementally more red than previous elections across almost every zip code, and demographic. It was very much a wipeout in that sense. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/p...
- delichon 2y ago
  Not fixing it didn't work well for the prior admin. If fixing it and not fixing it are both political losers, politicians might as well follow their principles as a last resort. To see what it's like.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    Being more holistic about the problem instead of only talking about it as a border issue or sign of racism (depending on which side you are on) For anyone that looks at the actual data, the real issue is not immigration, we averaged over 1M a year for decades and it was not such a hot button issue. Trump is more a symptom, that used xenophobia as an outlet and rallying cry, for those who were left behind as the economy has shifted from a manufacturing base to an information / services base. My winning move might be reframing as class warfare against the oligarchy, but we are in culture wars right now... It's also worth considering this a global issue and pattern
  - sympil 2y ago
    They did “fix” it but legislation was sabotaged by Republicans. Republicans sabotaged George W. Bush’s immigration “fix”.
    - delichon 2y ago
      If legislation is necessary to fix it, does that predict that Trump's executive orders on undocumented immigration won't have a significant effect?
      - verdverm 2y ago
        EOs are limited in ways legislation is not. They are also trivially changed with a change to the administration, making them less significant if one looks beyond a few years
        delichon 2y ago
        This seems to acknowledge that Trump is making effective temporary changes that the Biden administration chose not to. I think that and inflation swung the election.

verdverm 2y ago

Fixing the immigration process means losing the biggest, campaign winning issue Donold is also not known or building consensus and finding middle ground. These are at the core of legislating for a diverse country.

bdangubic 2y ago
he won’t get very much through congress in the 2nd term either. the EOs are like a one-night stand, everyone who disagrees with him is all up in arms about but everything he stroked the pen on will be erased in a day in 2029 - not that he gives a shit about that, he’ll probably he a trillionaire by the time he leaves office and that’s the only thing he cares about :)
- verdverm 2y ago
  I think the prospects of a US recession, or global if a fight over Taiwan blows up, more likely than there being any trillionaires in the next four years
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    EXACTLY same comments were made by many in 2021 when Biden took office... eventually one might be right about that ... :)
    - verdverm 2y ago
      Xi has made it is career goal to end the Chinese civil war and he doesn't have that much time left. Even in the previous election cycle, experts have been estimating near the end of the decade
steveBK123 2y ago
I agree but then he isn't THAT smart. I mean they went all the way on restricting abortion after using it for campaigns for decades.
- verdverm 2y ago
  Abortion is now even more pervasive in politics, expanded to state level elections and a forever issue... since the only way to a national law is through congress and any law can be modified, replaced, or removed by a change in the makeup of congress. It likely means cultural wars will dominate over policy debates, which is what the oligarchy wants... distraction of the pleebs so they can consolidate wealth and power even more. I think the only way to reframe and fix the path we are on is to build a coalition and move from culture war to class warfare
  - CuriouslyC 2y ago
    The culture war is going to be over soon, the left has basically given up. When we have trillionaires at the same time as social security and medicare going tits up, Luigi-type figures are going to come out of the woodwork. The ultra rich won't be able to hire help because they'll be too scared. At that point the government is done unless it turns hard left.
    - verdverm 2y ago
      I don't think the culture war is over, the left seems to be reflecting, and it has certainly taken a motivation hit, but giving up has not happened. The left is lacking a leading voice to rally behind Keep in mind, Donold only won by ~100k voters across 3 states. There was not a landslide nor is there a mandate
      - steveBK123 2y ago
        He shifted voters incrementally more red than previous elections across almost every zip code, and demographic. It was very much a wipeout in that sense. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/p...
delichon 2y ago
Not fixing it didn't work well for the prior admin. If fixing it and not fixing it are both political losers, politicians might as well follow their principles as a last resort. To see what it's like.
- verdverm 2y ago
  Being more holistic about the problem instead of only talking about it as a border issue or sign of racism (depending on which side you are on) For anyone that looks at the actual data, the real issue is not immigration, we averaged over 1M a year for decades and it was not such a hot button issue. Trump is more a symptom, that used xenophobia as an outlet and rallying cry, for those who were left behind as the economy has shifted from a manufacturing base to an information / services base. My winning move might be reframing as class warfare against the oligarchy, but we are in culture wars right now... It's also worth considering this a global issue and pattern
- sympil 2y ago
  They did “fix” it but legislation was sabotaged by Republicans. Republicans sabotaged George W. Bush’s immigration “fix”.
  - delichon 2y ago
    If legislation is necessary to fix it, does that predict that Trump's executive orders on undocumented immigration won't have a significant effect?
    - verdverm 2y ago
      EOs are limited in ways legislation is not. They are also trivially changed with a change to the administration, making them less significant if one looks beyond a few years
      - delichon 2y ago
        This seems to acknowledge that Trump is making effective temporary changes that the Biden administration chose not to. I think that and inflation swung the election.