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I'm thinking about this the same way, if a bit more selfishly: as a non-US citizen, I might want to move to the US in the future. Which is why I would like the

I'm thinking about this the same way, if a bit more selfishly: as a non-US citizen, I might want to move to the US in the future. Which is why I would like the US govt to have as little data as possible about me (who knows what the mainstream politics will look like, things that are very innocent today might be punishable by death in 10 years). Chinese govt, on the other hand, can have my data freely, since I don't think I'll ever move to the Mainland China.

latexr 2y ago
> I might want to move to the US in the future. > (…) (who knows what the mainstream politics will look like, things that are very innocent today might be punishable by death in 10 years). Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think I’d ever consider moving to a country where I believed politics to be so unstable that an action could go from “very innocent” to “punishable by death” in the span of a decade.
- animuchan 2y ago
  You're right of course. Unless my current place turns into a (more) active warzone, I won't consider relocating. (I also understand that my outsider view on the US political system isn't well-informed. Still, better safe than sorry.)
- echoangle 2y ago
  I couldn’t name a single country on earth where I would be certain that this could not happen. 10 years is a long time, a lot can happen politically.
  - latexr 2y ago
    We’re talking about going from fully innocent and legal action to full on death penalty in just over two terms (depending on country). That seems quite a stretch for many countries where the death penalty was abolished. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country It doesn’t seem plausible that in countries where even euthanasia isn’t allowed things could get so out of hand that the death penalty would not only be reimplemented but it would devolve so fast that you’d start executing people for things which aren’t even crimes right now.
    - CryptoBanker 2y ago
      You are literally debating something that hasn't happened yet. The death penalty example was just that, an example
      - latexr 2y ago
        Clearly the death penalty was not just an example, seeing as the reply from that same user made a good point about their own country becoming a war zone. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42803165 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42803165 I recommend you stop assuming what other people meant and nitpicking for no discernible reason. The only one debating here is you, and you’re doing it with yourself.
- cma 2y ago
  Look at what almost just happened in South Korea, it can be very sudden and out of character.
- nuancebydefault 2y ago
  Maybe it's just me but... personally I wouldn't move to a country in which more than half of the voters are pro a public jury-convicted criminal. I'm also reluctant to move to any country in which proper healthcare is reserved for the rich. I can't imagine moving to a country that is pro-life and pro-guns at the same time. A country that approves of, let alone encourages, getting rich by pump and dump of virtual freshly invented coins. Same sentiment i have about a country that approves of deportation of illegal immigrants, poor or rich, child or adult, criminal offender or not.
yard2010 2y ago
In 1-2 decades Mainland China will move to you ;)

latexr 2y ago

> I might want to move to the US in the future. > (…) (who knows what the mainstream politics will look like, things that are very innocent today might be punishable by death in 10 years). Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think I’d ever consider moving to a country where I believed politics to be so unstable that an action could go from “very innocent” to “punishable by death” in the span of a decade.

animuchan 2y ago
You're right of course. Unless my current place turns into a (more) active warzone, I won't consider relocating. (I also understand that my outsider view on the US political system isn't well-informed. Still, better safe than sorry.)
echoangle 2y ago
I couldn’t name a single country on earth where I would be certain that this could not happen. 10 years is a long time, a lot can happen politically.
- latexr 2y ago
  We’re talking about going from fully innocent and legal action to full on death penalty in just over two terms (depending on country). That seems quite a stretch for many countries where the death penalty was abolished. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country It doesn’t seem plausible that in countries where even euthanasia isn’t allowed things could get so out of hand that the death penalty would not only be reimplemented but it would devolve so fast that you’d start executing people for things which aren’t even crimes right now.
  - CryptoBanker 2y ago
    You are literally debating something that hasn't happened yet. The death penalty example was just that, an example
    - latexr 2y ago
      Clearly the death penalty was not just an example, seeing as the reply from that same user made a good point about their own country becoming a war zone. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42803165 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42803165 I recommend you stop assuming what other people meant and nitpicking for no discernible reason. The only one debating here is you, and you’re doing it with yourself.
cma 2y ago
Look at what almost just happened in South Korea, it can be very sudden and out of character.
nuancebydefault 2y ago
Maybe it's just me but... personally I wouldn't move to a country in which more than half of the voters are pro a public jury-convicted criminal. I'm also reluctant to move to any country in which proper healthcare is reserved for the rich. I can't imagine moving to a country that is pro-life and pro-guns at the same time. A country that approves of, let alone encourages, getting rich by pump and dump of virtual freshly invented coins. Same sentiment i have about a country that approves of deportation of illegal immigrants, poor or rich, child or adult, criminal offender or not.

yard2010 2y ago

In 1-2 decades Mainland China will move to you ;)