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I'm glad people care about their personal data, I just wished they cared as much when talking about ChatGPT, because in reality if you're not a Chinese dissiden

I'm glad people care about their personal data, I just wished they cared as much when talking about ChatGPT, because in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP.

jay-barronville 2y ago
> […] in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP. Correct. I laugh a little every time I hear some folks immediately push the “Big Bad China is just trying to steal our data” narrative. My immediate reaction is, “Grab some tea and let’s sit down real quick, so I can tell you what some of our companies right here in America and our government do with our data.”
- kstrauser 2y ago
  It’s legal to be opposed to both, you know. At least OpenAI is in my legal jurisdiction.
  - descendant 2y ago
    Agreed. I get that both might have the same level of access to my data but if I was staying in USA, I would be much more okay with my data getting in the hands of an organization which is within the jurisdiction of the democratic country I live in. Also, given the global political scenario, China is considered a competitor/enemy due to opposite ideologies (not my personal opinion) so the choice is obvious. However, whether USA is/will stay a democracy for long is a longer debate.
  - lmz 2y ago
    Some would say being closer to the powerful thing is exactly the risk. i.e. better to be far away from those you give info to.
knowitnone 2y ago
OpenAI does not have a history of disappearing people and when they return, their attitude has completely changed (see Jack Ma). OpenAI does not have a history of aggression against other nations shipping vessels. OpenAI does not have a history of corporate espionage and IP theft. OpenAI does not have a history of setting up police stations in other nations. OpenAI does not have a history of operating an illegal bio-lab in foreign nations. That's pretty defamatory to compare OpenAI to the CCP. OpenAI does not have a history of spreading a virus that killed millions and pointing fingers at other nations.
- nuancebydefault 2y ago
  About the virus: you really need to be less in the company of people thinking up conspiracy theories. Remember that a pandemic has always been predicted in a 'not if but when' sense. For the rest of the provided history feats, I can't really tell but most of it appeared indeed in established newschannels.
- mig1 2y ago
  Facebook, Cambridge Analytica, Sponsoring a genocide… the moral differences between the US and the CCP are imaginary.
- d0mine 2y ago
  If we are talking countries here, then all that you've mentioned is done by both sides. If we are talking companies then as far as I know only one of them is developing killer robots (guess which one).

jay-barronville 2y ago

> […] in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP. Correct. I laugh a little every time I hear some folks immediately push the “Big Bad China is just trying to steal our data” narrative. My immediate reaction is, “Grab some tea and let’s sit down real quick, so I can tell you what some of our companies right here in America and our government do with our data.”

kstrauser 2y ago
It’s legal to be opposed to both, you know. At least OpenAI is in my legal jurisdiction.
- descendant 2y ago
  Agreed. I get that both might have the same level of access to my data but if I was staying in USA, I would be much more okay with my data getting in the hands of an organization which is within the jurisdiction of the democratic country I live in. Also, given the global political scenario, China is considered a competitor/enemy due to opposite ideologies (not my personal opinion) so the choice is obvious. However, whether USA is/will stay a democracy for long is a longer debate.
- lmz 2y ago
  Some would say being closer to the powerful thing is exactly the risk. i.e. better to be far away from those you give info to.

knowitnone 2y ago

OpenAI does not have a history of disappearing people and when they return, their attitude has completely changed (see Jack Ma). OpenAI does not have a history of aggression against other nations shipping vessels. OpenAI does not have a history of corporate espionage and IP theft. OpenAI does not have a history of setting up police stations in other nations. OpenAI does not have a history of operating an illegal bio-lab in foreign nations. That's pretty defamatory to compare OpenAI to the CCP. OpenAI does not have a history of spreading a virus that killed millions and pointing fingers at other nations.

nuancebydefault 2y ago
About the virus: you really need to be less in the company of people thinking up conspiracy theories. Remember that a pandemic has always been predicted in a 'not if but when' sense. For the rest of the provided history feats, I can't really tell but most of it appeared indeed in established newschannels.
mig1 2y ago
Facebook, Cambridge Analytica, Sponsoring a genocide… the moral differences between the US and the CCP are imaginary.
d0mine 2y ago
If we are talking countries here, then all that you've mentioned is done by both sides. If we are talking companies then as far as I know only one of them is developing killer robots (guess which one).