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I don't think Jason was saying luck had anything to do with it, just that developers (or even employees in general) get the life ground out of them, are cast as

by jeffool 14y ago

I don't think Jason was saying luck had anything to do with it, just that developers (or even employees in general) get the life ground out of them, are cast aside, and then FEEL like they've hit the lottery when they get another job. What Jason's talking about is employee victimization. Treating everyone like shit, so that people will think "Oh, I'm lucky to be here!" akin to a beaten spouse. Be that in comparison to the larger job force after bad experiences elsewhere, or bad treatment against your own coworkers. After all, remember what the common person finds revolutionary about tech companies. Not the nice salaries and high employment rates. Food. Laundry services, on premises events. The faintest hint that the company cares about the people, and tries to treat them well. That's a foreign concept to most. Mostly employees get "you're lucky to even have a job" shoveled down our throats. (And that could in reality be the situation at those larger tech jobs I've loosely described, but the point is, things like that? Good PR against it.)

eli_gottlieb 14y ago
After all, remember what the common person finds revolutionary about tech companies. Not the nice salaries and high employment rates. Food. Laundry services, on premises events. The faintest hint that the company cares about the people, and tries to treat them well. That's a foreign concept to most. A fair portion of tech companies don't even do this stuff. My first corporate job had Peapod snacks from Stop & Shop, but didn't have so much as an actual lunch hour. We were often told we'd get a tech seminar or go out to one at a local university, and somehow we never did. It wasn't that any particular boss withheld perks they had promised. There was just an overall culture of "keep your head down, don't act like a geek, and work all the hours God sent to earn your salary", which was a very strange thing to encounter in the tech sector and a downright disturbing thing to see happening without enforcement by a cruel authority figure. It's weird when people oppress themselves.

by jeffool 14y ago

eli_gottlieb 14y ago

After all, remember what the common person finds revolutionary about tech companies. Not the nice salaries and high employment rates. Food. Laundry services, on premises events. The faintest hint that the company cares about the people, and tries to treat them well. That's a foreign concept to most. A fair portion of tech companies don't even do this stuff. My first corporate job had Peapod snacks from Stop & Shop, but didn't have so much as an actual lunch hour. We were often told we'd get a tech seminar or go out to one at a local university, and somehow we never did. It wasn't that any particular boss withheld perks they had promised. There was just an overall culture of "keep your head down, don't act like a geek, and work all the hours God sent to earn your salary", which was a very strange thing to encounter in the tech sector and a downright disturbing thing to see happening without enforcement by a cruel authority figure. It's weird when people oppress themselves.